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Old 11-26-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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Ok so according to some theists, god has an infallible plan. And since evil must and does occur as part of the plan, doesn't that make the plan and therefore god evil? Can anyone clarify this?
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:10 PM
 
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Ok so according to some theists, god has an infallible plan. And since evil must and does occur as part of the plan, doesn't that make the plan and therefore god evil? Can anyone clarify this?

Like someone else posted a while back the bible never states that God is good all the time, perhaps God is bipolar. The bible does hint at that.
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Old 11-26-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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Like someone else posted a while back the bible never states that God is good all the time, perhaps God is bipolar. The bible does hint at that.
lols. My "bible expert" says you can't have one without the other. good without evil. That God doesn't love many of us, and created most of us to be destroyed.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:16 PM
 
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The idea that there is a "God's Plan" and the concept of "free will" are mutually exclusive.

Since God apparently fulfills "prophecies" then that further indicates that there is no such thing as "free will" as "free will" could muck up God's "prophecies."

Unfortunately logic has no real place in the mind of a believer,
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:24 PM
 
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Ok so according to some theists, god has an infallible plan. And since evil must and does occur as part of the plan, doesn't that make the plan and therefore god evil? Can anyone clarify this?

God made and uses dirt and soil in his plans for humanity, but God is not made of dirt or soil; conversely God made evil in his plans for humanity, but he himself is not evil. He can create things without being a part of them; or those things being a part of him. Gods can do things like that; evil is the oppisite of God, but God wanted all of reality to know and experience what being oppisite of him can be like! He wanted us to know evil, or know what ways " Other than his are like;"

I think its brillant! He is ultimate good, but he wanted his children to know and experience what its like to live the oppisite of him; but that oppisition didnot exist, so he had to create that oppisition, or evil.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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I think its brillant! He is ultimate good, quote]


That's isn't bibical. So your assuming he is.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:50 PM
 
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That's isn't bibical. So your assuming he is.

Its in my bible.
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Old 11-26-2012, 05:59 PM
 
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here is God's plan. life, truth and love.
here is not god's plan, sickness sin and death
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Old 11-27-2012, 06:44 AM
 
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I think its brillant! He is ultimate good, but he wanted his children to know and experience what its like to live the oppisite of him; but that oppisition didnot exist, so he had to create that oppisition, or evil.
So, are you saying that DOWN did not exist, but God created UP, and then had to create DOWN in opposition to it, so people (aka His Children) could experience UP? God created darkness, so people could see what His light was like? God created Slow so people could see what Fast was like? God created Square so people could see what Round was like? God created Crooked, so people could see what Straight was like? God created Inorganic so people could see what Organic was like? God created Stupid (aka His Children), so people could see what Smart was like?
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Old 11-27-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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Ok so according to some theists, god has an infallible plan. And since evil must and does occur as part of the plan, doesn't that make the plan and therefore god evil? Can anyone clarify this?
No it doesn't mean God is evil. If I make aluminum foil, it does not mean I am made of aluminum.

"God is working all things together for GOOD." Eternal torment is not a part of that goal. God is eventually going to save all mankind, so, between Genesis 1:1 to the end of Revelation He is working but it is all for good, not for an evil end.

God created evil. Evil's root idea is "to smash." In a sense Adam, by eating of the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, made an agreement that humanity needed this contrastive lesson between good and evil. Of course God planted that tree in the very midst of the garden rather than hide it in an obscure place. He could have put fiery cherubim around it to keep Adam away from it. So it was part of God's plan he should eat of it. Immediately after that God promises the coming One to undo mankind's plight.
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