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Old 11-28-2012, 08:57 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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The thought came to me as I was reading through the threads. It seems there is a general consensus that a person with no knowledge of God(swt) can not be held accountable for disobeying what he does not know.

Just my opinion but I do not think God(swt) will hold a person responsible for not believing in him, unless the person has made a self chosen decision to avoid learning of the existence of God(swt) It seems this eliminates many atheists from punishment for what we theists see as sin.

I do not see this as getting a free ride, but I do see it as reason to think some atheists may unkowingly be closer to God(swt) than some of us theists try to be.

What is your view?
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:06 PM
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My view: God has made Himself known to all humans, through creation, and therefore without excuse.
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:17 PM
 
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How about children that have not reached the age of accountability and was raised with no teaching of God(swt)
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Old 11-28-2012, 09:49 PM
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How about children that have not reached the age of accountability and was raised with no teaching of God(swt)
I thought this thread was about atheists. Do children qualify ( as atheists)?
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:01 PM
 
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The thought came to me as I was reading through the threads. It seems there is a general consensus that a person with no knowledge of God(swt) can not be held accountable for disobeying what he does not know.

Just my opinion but I do not think God(swt) will hold a person responsible for not believing in him, unless the person has made a self chosen decision to avoid learning of the existence of God(swt) It seems this eliminates many atheists from punishment for what we theists see as sin.

I do not see this as getting a free ride, but I do see it as reason to think some atheists may unkowingly be closer to God(swt) than some of us theists try to be.

What is your view?
Yes. Romans 1 addresses that. I don't believe in atheists. People can tell from creation that there is a God, but they choose to ignore him and his commands.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:02 PM
 
Location: Victoria TX
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Yes, it is possible for an atheist to commit an act which he regards as a sin. As does a Christian. They just define sin differently. The atheist regards a sin as immoral behavior from the standpoint of "doing the right thing" as a member of a societal structure. The Christian regards sin as disobedient behavior contrary to what preachers have told him is the word of God.

Both are equally capable of violating what they recognize as their moral code.

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My view: God has made Himself known to all humans, through creation, and therefore without excuse.
He did a pretty shabby job of "making himself known", if it took tens of thousands of years of mankind before a single one said "Hey, wait a minute -- all this creation is God making himself known."

Everybody before Moses is burning in everlasting Hell, because God did such a superior job of unambiguously making himself known, and they all made excuses. "I didn't know all this was was proof of God." Yeah, likely story, you goldbrick -- off to Hell with you.

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Old 11-28-2012, 10:55 PM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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I thought this thread was about atheists. Do children qualify ( as atheists)?
It is about Atheists. Just want to see if there would be any similarity or if anyone sees a similarity.

I am not an atheist. I do not believe many atheists make a conscious choice to become an atheist. It is they have not seen or heard any reason to believe God(swt) exists.

I could not choose to be an atheist. I believe in God(swt) I can not turn that off. In the same way I do not think an Atheist can decide to become a Theist without reason.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:10 PM
 
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Yes. Romans 1 addresses that. I don't believe in atheists. People can tell from creation that there is a God, but they choose to ignore him and his commands.
I do believe children are born with a belief but not an understanding of God(swt) without the understanding the belief fades and eventually end.

I was a Theist for about the first 45 years of my life. During the last 3 years of that era I came to realize what I had been taught was not proof of God(swt)'s existence. I finally had to face I did not believe in God(swt) no matter how hard I tried to or desperately wanted to. I finally faced I was an Atheist. I spent the next 20 years as an Atheist and would still be one. Except a personal experience made me see God(swt) does exist.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:19 PM
 
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No, not at all. Speaking as an Atheist.

I do not believe in god, I do not believe in sin, I do not believe in the devil, I do not believe in heaven, I do not believe in hell. Sin is a Christian construct that applies only to those that subscribe to the Christian belief.

Similarly, I do not believe in the theistic counterparts that are constructs of various other religions, which are too numerous to name.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:23 PM
 
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Sure it is. Hating or not believing something to be possible doesn't make it so.
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