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Old 12-12-2012, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Front Range of Colorado
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When a god named Zeus seduced a Spartan queen named Leda, he turned himself into a swan. This story is also part of some old religious texts. According to your premise, we cannot say conclusively that this never happened even though this occurance is not logical.
Exactly. Boy, the fundie arguments have not improved, even after all these decades of READILY AVAILABLE INFORMATION.
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Which doesn't prove anything really. The oral tradition of the Biblical story (which is more detailed and plausible) could have existed before Gilgamesh, and someone deluded the story through generations and wrote it down before Genesis was finally commited to written form.

If you are going to compare the OT to other mythologies, at the very least, you need to present a mythology which contains detailed geneologies. Otherwise, the Bible is more historically realistic.
Someone deluded?
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Old 12-12-2012, 01:25 PM
 
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Default Science and Math gives mythology no quarter

Your flood is impossible, Period. This covers only one fallacy of your impossible flood. There are hundreds of reasons that the flood cannot happen or could not have happened. Deal with it.


Noah's Flood - Mathematically Impossible - YouTube
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:11 PM
 
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I'm sorry, but unless you personally have first hand eye witness experience of that time period, you can not conclusively say as FACT that it never happened.
Yes, actually we can. Catastrophic events leave behind evidence from their occurrence. When such evidence is not only absent, but directly contradicts what we do find, we can safely say said event never happened as described.

The Noah story cannot be referring to the entire known planet. For one, it's an impossible event and has left not a single shred of evidence that it occurred. And two, why would the Ancient Israelites claim the entire planet flooded, when the only part of the planet they knew existed was Mesopotamia? They didn't know there was such a thing as Australia, or Antarctica, or North America. Those were non-existent to them. The perceived size of the world in Biblical days was exponentially smaller than it is today.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:18 PM
 
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Wrong, Skippy, I sure can. A flood that was described in Genesis is IMPOSSIBLE for many, many reasons that have been discussed ad infinitum. Such a flood, even if it were possible, would have left a tremendous signature and that signature is not found ANYWHERE.

No sane person can try to promote the Genesis flood as a literal event. I'm sorry for your sanity if you do.

No, Kosmo, you can make up whatever claim you want, but that doesn't make it reality. For one thing, you are assuming the ancient world looked and operated the exact same as our modern day world. It's the equivalent of someone in 2100 (after decades of global warming creates non-existent winters) laughing at the notion that we once had this white fluffy substance called snow.


Futhermore, it's always possible that our limited minds has yet to uncover a facet of science that makes the flood quite possible. Apparently you believe that science has already answered ALL the mysteries of life.


Furthermore, I have yet to see a skeptic give a satisfactory answer as to why the flood story exists in almost every ancient culture around the world. IMO, this FACT supports the Towel of Babel story.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:25 PM
 
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Your flood is impossible, Period. This covers only one fallacy of your impossible flood. There are hundreds of reasons that the flood cannot happen or could not have happened. Deal with it.


Noah's Flood - Mathematically Impossible - YouTube

In 1994, gelatin blobs began to rain down on the town of Oakville WA. Modern science could not come up with an explanation on how this would be possible.

So given your narrow minded way of reasoning, I have to assume that it NEVER took place since science can't explain it.


Oakville Blobs - Unsolved Mysteries Wiki
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:32 PM
 
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When a god named Zeus seduced a Spartan queen named Leda, he turned himself into a swan. This story is also part of some old religious texts. According to your premise, we cannot say conclusively that this never happened even though this occurance is not logical.
A story really has no basis in historical reality if there is ZERO supporting evidence. There is tons of supporting evidence for the Bible in archaeology alone. None for Zeus.

Furthermore Jesus Christ believed that the accounts in Genesis really happened. And I can say from a personal experience that my life is changed through Christ. I don't know of anyone who has the same experience through faith in Zeus.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:35 PM
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And as long as skeptics fall back on such blanket statements, any legitimate evidence that supports the Bible will never get a fair shake. I love how atheists perfectly accept archaeology as proof of ancient events EXCEPT when it supports the Bible.
As other posters have already pointed out, the OP's link actually does more to dispel the Noah's Ark/global flood myth than anything else.

If you really want to look for evidence that the bible global flood story is true, you would not be looking near Turkey alone. If someone can find evidence of a global flood that occurred simultaneously in the Middle East, North America, Australia and Antarctica you might have something to work with.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:37 PM
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I'm sorry, but unless you personally have first hand eye witness experience of that time period, you can not conclusively say as FACT that it never happened.
Are you saying that Darth Vader and Jedi Knights really exist? I have never seen anyone offer proof that they didn't.

Your post is a massive failure of simple logic.
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Old 12-12-2012, 02:37 PM
 
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