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Here's a hypothetical. Let's say, before he took that cyanide pill (no debates about the morality of suicide please) in that bunker in Berlin, Hitler secretly repented wholeheartedly, confessed his sins, and asked Jesus to be his Lord and Saviour or, if Christianity is not the true religion, did whatever it was necessary to get himself into heaven. He then goes to Heaven.
Say you end up in Heaven too. Do you welcome him as a fellow brother, a child of God? Or would you shun him? Would you have any moral outrage at his past deeds or would they be forgotten? Would your mercy be so great?
And let's not talk if Hitler watched the Jews suffering in Hell. Try as I might I can't picture that happening, even with all this talk of salvation being a free gift, but it's interesting. How many would eventually consider Hitler a friend? Or substitute Hitler with any other extremely evil person.
We don't know his mental state through his period of time. Maybe his actions weren't entirely his fault, somehow.
The same could be said of Ted Bundy. If he feels no remorse for his actions, and views himself as having no connections to humanity, and he doesn't care much about his own survival, why not go kill a bunch of people, unless they can assist him somehow?
That's why I'm in favor of not worrying so much about why people do things, or whose fault something is, unless that is assistful in stopping the behavior. I've never liked the idea of vengeance for reasons of attaining justice. I do like the idea of vengeance to discourage future similar behaviors.
but...I might be fine if Hitler made it to heaven, depending on his mentality during the time he did all his horrible acts.
Here's a hypothetical. Let's say, before he took that cyanide pill (no debates about the morality of suicide please) in that bunker in Berlin, Hitler secretly repented wholeheartedly, confessed his sins, and asked Jesus to be his Lord and Saviour or, if Christianity is not the true religion, did whatever it was necessary to get himself into heaven. He then goes to Heaven.
Say you end up in Heaven too. Do you welcome him as a fellow brother, a child of God? Or would you shun him? Would you have any moral outrage at his past deeds or would they be forgotten? Would your mercy be so great?
And let's not talk if Hitler watched the Jews suffering in Hell. Try as I might I can't picture that happening, even with all this talk of salvation being a free gift, but it's interesting. How many would eventually consider Hitler a friend? Or substitute Hitler with any other extremely evil person.
According to scripture, Hitler is in heaven. A good fit, too.
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,
surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who,
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was
for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but
I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in
their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I
would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for
them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
exploited."
Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior
as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness,
surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for
what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who,
God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter.
"Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I
recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was
for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross.
"As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but
I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice...
"When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in
their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I
would be no Christian, but a very devil, if I felt no pity for
them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn
against those by whom today this poor people are plundered and
exploited."
Adolph Hitler, in a speech delivered April 12, 1922
Words don't prove you're a Christian; actions do.
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Here's a hypothetical. Let's say, before he took that cyanide pill (no debates about the morality of suicide please) in that bunker in Berlin, Hitler secretly repented wholeheartedly, confessed his sins, and asked Jesus to be his Lord and Saviour or, if Christianity is not the true religion, did whatever it was necessary to get himself into heaven. He then goes to Heaven.
Say you end up in Heaven too. Do you welcome him as a fellow brother, a child of God? Or would you shun him? Would you have any moral outrage at his past deeds or would they be forgotten? Would your mercy be so great?
And let's not talk if Hitler watched the Jews suffering in Hell. Try as I might I can't picture that happening, even with all this talk of salvation being a free gift, but it's interesting. How many would eventually consider Hitler a friend? Or substitute Hitler with any other extremely evil person.
For some reason I started thinking about something similar the other day...
...what if reincarnation was real and Hitler was alive, now quitely living a new life completely unaware who he was but we had a foolproof way of identifying him.
Should he be punished today?
What if you suddenly woke up with memories of a previous life as Hitler? Would you "come clean" to the world? Would you feel extreme guilt and expect to be punished or would you feel like it was all in "another time... another life" and not let it drag you down?
What would be the difference between that and being a bad person who later changed his/her ways?
If it turned out death was not the end of a sentient mind, would the death penalty really be a good punishment?
This forum makes me think too much about off the wall things...
You are biblically ignorant. And take a reading comprehension class. I did not say works save; I said works prove. Read Ephesians 2:10 and James 2.
You know nothing about me, so jettison you condescension. I was a minister's son and a Christian for 45 years. I've probably done more Bible study than you've had hot meals.
Do works, impact salvation, Yes or NO?
If Hitler believed in Jesus Christ as his Lord and Savior, he is in heaven. Deal with it. This is according to your own Bible, that is, unless you are saying it is wrong.
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Would you "come clean" to the world? Would you feel extreme guilt and expect to be punished or would you feel like it was all in "another time... another life" and not let it drag you down? 
