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Old 01-12-2013, 11:14 PM
 
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Assuming the state's Constitutions don't forbid it, the states CAN make religions of their own. Several states had their own religions well into the 19th century.

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Not actually true. The 14th amendment makes the rest of the constitution binding upon the states. So the states cannot infringe upon free speech, freedom of religion, or establish a state religion.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:19 PM
 
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All that being said, you do not have the right to have a life completely free from religion just like I don't have a right to have a life completely free from non-religion. This would mean that if I were near you, I couldn't say anything to anyone else concerning my religion.

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You are wrong here as well. We are speaking about government restrictions on speech, not an individuals. You can say anything you like about religion, so long as you are not acting as an agent of the government. In fact the first amendment protects this speech.
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Old 01-12-2013, 11:26 PM
 
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Not actually true. The 14th amendment makes the rest of the constitution binding upon the states. So the states cannot infringe upon free speech, freedom of religion, or establish a state religion.
No, it really doesn't. But the SCOTUS made it say that with a horribly incorrect judgment.
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:26 AM
 
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No, it really doesn't. But the SCOTUS made it say that with a horribly incorrect judgment.
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No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Look at the actual words^^^^^^^. It really does say that the states cannot make any laws that take away any privileges. One of the privileges of a person is the 1 st amendment, which guarantees freedom of religion.

You may not like the constitution of the US, but it is the law of the land.
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Old 01-13-2013, 05:16 AM
 
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Is there tension between the two?
By "freedom of" do you mean that it is without consequence? There are consequences for both theism and materialism.
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Old 01-13-2013, 08:58 AM
 
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Freedom of religion cannot exist without freedom from religion. And certainly not without separation of church/religion and state.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:06 AM
 
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By "freedom of" do you mean that it is without consequence? There are consequences for both theism and materialism.
False dichotomy. Theism IS materialistic.

Though there really are no real consequences, only silly dreamt up ones written in books by ignorant minds.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:33 AM
 
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False dichotomy. Theism IS materialistic.

Though there really are no real consequences, only silly dreamt up ones written in books by ignorant minds.
Studying the bible and doing what it says actually show that you're wrong on all counts.
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Old 01-13-2013, 09:37 AM
 
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All that being said, you do not have the right to have a life completely free from religion just like I don't have a right to have a life completely free from non-religion.
I believe I said exactly that, so I think we're in agreement.
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Old 01-16-2013, 01:45 PM
 
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Is there tension between the two?
Oh yeh, as long as some people refuse to just live and let live, and respect others choices about whether they would embrace religion, or not...there'll always be tension.
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