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"Don't display religious iconography in government buildings. It is unconstitutional."
No it's not. Our constitution, under the first amendment of the Bill of Rights, states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". If anything, this keeps government, at least federal, OUT of the religious business and keeps religions from establishing a state religion. Keeping a picture of Jesus hanging in a school, especially if the majority of the people concerned want it there, is a FAR cry from establishing a state religion. You must be thinking of the constitution of the former USSR.
It's definitely corrupt, to say the least. But pagans were our ancestors, so its understood. If anything, such pretentions are an insult to any true gods. Now, every funding decision is a law, and every icon in government is a respect(privilege) to the corresponding religious establishment. So yeah, it's unconstitutional. The religious business is very corrupt trade; if anything, there should be more oversight of them. Keeping a picture of the confederate generals in a public school hallway, especially if the majority of people concerned want it there, is a FAR cry from sedition.
You must be employing logical fallacies.
Don't display religious iconography in government buildings. It is unconstitutional.
No it's not. Our constitution, under the first amendment of the Bill of Rights, states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". If anything, this keeps government, at least federal, OUT of the religious business and keeps religions from establishing a state religion. Keeping a picture of Jesus hanging in a school, especially if the majority of the people concerned want it there, is a FAR cry from establishing a state religion. You must be thinking of the constitution of the former USSR.
The Supreme Court disagrees in previous rulings on similar cases. Do you have any specific objections to their decisions, or do you just want to rant and rave about some imagined communist takeover of the US government?
Don't display religious iconography in government buildings. It is unconstitutional.
No it's not. Our constitution, under the first amendment of the Bill of Rights, states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof". If anything, this keeps government, at least federal, OUT of the religious business and keeps religions from establishing a state religion. Keeping a picture of Jesus hanging in a school, especially if the majority of the people concerned want it there, is a FAR cry from establishing a state religion. You must be thinking of the constitution of the former USSR.
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Originally Posted by KCfromNC
The Supreme Court disagrees in previous rulings on similar cases. Do you have any specific objections to their decisions, or do you just want to rant and rave about some imagined communist takeover of the US government?
You hit the nail on the head with your answer, KC! It doesn't matter at all how we as individuals read and interpret. The only thing that matters is the most recent ruling by the Supreme Court on the subject.
Give it time to work through the courts and the picture will come down.
The Supreme Court disagrees in previous rulings on similar cases. Do you have any specific objections to their decisions, or do you just want to rant and rave about some imagined communist takeover of the US government?
Yet, the Supreme Court is not consistent in their rulings. This indicates that there is no clear violation of the separation clause in these cases. It boils down to a person's opinion at the time.
Here is one case where the Supreme Court ruled that it was legal to have a cross on government land:
Just read the wiki article.
The supreme court passed it to a lower court leaving it unresolved.
Although they did say it could stay.
The NPS deems it not lawful to be there. But is willing to make a land transfer.
At the time of the article the land transfer was not made.
And the cross it there illegally.
Just found this. The transfer was made.
"On November 2, 2012, the Sunrise Rock parcel was conveyed to the California Veterans of Foreign Wars.In accordance with the settlement agreement, the National Park Service has installed a fence around the parcel with signs indicating that the plot is private property. Two entrance areas remain unfenced to allow public access, also required by the settlement. The National Park Service installed a plaque on Sunrise Rock describing this memorial commemorating American war veterans."
Yet, the Supreme Court is not consistent in their rulings. This indicates that there is no clear violation of the separation clause in these cases. It boils down to a person's opinion at the time.
Really? Where has the court been inconsistent on exclusively displaying Christian religious icongraphy in schools?
You hit the nail on the head with your answer, KC! It doesn't matter at all how we as individuals read and interpret. The only thing that matters is the most recent ruling by the Supreme Court on the subject.
It's not that I think that the Supreme Court is infallible. But if we're going to discuss the constitutionality of the school's behavior here, it makes sense to start with similar court cases and see what their thinking on the matter is. For some reason, people who support having this picture of Jesus in a public school would rather talk about anything but.
The Supreme Court disagrees in previous rulings on similar cases. Do you have any specific objections to their decisions, or do you just want to rant and rave about some imagined communist takeover of the US government?
Yes I do have objectionswith their decisions when more and more things they have been ruling on lately are not mentioned in the constitution and therefore should be sent back to the states. Communist takeover of the United States? That began back in the 1960s KCfromNC. You were either not born or asleep and didn't see it. But back to my answer. "Separation of church and state" does NOT appear in our constitution or even bill of rights. If it does, then find it and show it to me please!!
Here, let me help you
ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of antireligious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.
1936 CONSTITUTION OF THE USSR
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The Supreme Court disagrees in previous rulings on similar cases. Do you have any specific objections to their decisions, or do you just want to rant and rave about some imagined communist takeover of the US government?
Yes I do have objectionswith their decisions when more and more things they have been ruling on lately are not mentioned in the constitution and therefore should be sent back to the states. Communist takeover of the United States? That began back in the 1960s KCfromNC. You were either not born or asleep and didn't see it. But back to my answer. "Separation of church and state" does NOT appear in our constitution or even bill of rights. If it does, then find it and show it to me please!!
Here, let me help you
ARTICLE 124. In order to ensure to citizens freedom of conscience, the church in the U.S.S.R. is separated from the state, and the school from the church. Freedom of religious worship and freedom of antireligious propaganda is recognized for all citizens.
1936 CONSTITUTION OF THE USSR
So, based on your own posting, I guess there would be absolutely no chance of a picture of Jesus being hung up in a school in the USSR (which, BTW, was disbanded in 1991).
No reason why the picture should not remain. But need to also display next to it the 20 other great religious leaders of all times, representing a cross section of several religions.
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