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Well now you have just proven that your claim of being able to read the Greek is fallacious. And your knowledge of first century culture as well as the writings of the early church fathers is non-existent. It appears it is just your prejudice that leads you to believe these women were lesbian. It also appears that you have not bothered to read the opinions of 'people much smarter than you' on this topic.
But thanks for playing.
Yes. I can read Greek. Can you? Moderator cut: edit
Yes. I can read Greek. Can you? Moderator cut: Orphaned
verse 27. Read it.
I use various lexicons and concordances- to check against each other. This particular time I used the Blue Letter Bible and the Morphological Greek New Testament:
Nowhere, as you claim, does the Greek say the women desired each other (women/women), so how can you claim to be able to read the Greek?
It was anal sex that was considered 'unnatural' or "contrary to nature". If you knew anything at all about the culture of that time, women and women together would not have even been considered as "sex" at all.
Verse 27 is about the men, not the women.
You also seem to completely ignore the context - idolatrous worshipping of pagan gods.
I use various lexicons and concordances- to check against each other. This particular time I used the Blue Letter Bible and the Morphological Greek New Testament:
Nowhere, as you claim, does the Greek say the women desired each other (women/women). Verse 27 is about the men, not the women.
You also seem to completely ignore the context - idolatrous worshipping of pagan gods.
Pauls letter. Read it.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
The word is "pathos". Did you read that? Degrading Passions. It wasn't just about pagan worship. Men likewise did the same thing....exchanging the natural function of the woman for each other. The implication is clear. It wasn't about pagan worship.
God had enough of it and gave them over to their depraved minds.
For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural,
The word is "pathos". Did you read that? Degrading Passions. It wasn't just about pagan worship. Men likewise did the same thing....exchanging the natural function of the woman for each other. The implication is clear. It wasn't about pagan worship.
God had enough of it and gave them over to their depraved minds.
You have just shown yourself that it says nothing about women having sex with each other, just that they exchanged the "natural" function of sex for that which was "unnatural" sex. Women started having "unnatural"(anal) sex with men. Likewise, men started having "unnatural" (anal) sex with men.
As for denying the "pagan worship" context, it just shows you haven't even read the preceding verses.
You also said you don't have any idea why early church fathers said Paul was referring to the women having anal sex with men.
You have just shown yourself that it says nothing about women having sex with each other, just that they exchanged the "natural" function of sex for that which was "unnatural" sex. Women started having "unnatural"(anal) sex with men. Likewise, men started having "unnatural" (anal) sex with men.
As for denying the "pagan worship" context, it just shows you haven't even read the preceding verses.
Why would anyone take your opinion seriously?
In so many words, it most certainly does say it. But like so many heretics, because it doesn't directly say "women had sex with women", you won't believe it. Nevermind that it describes it in great detail as women lusting after each other with unnatural, degrading passions.
Fine...I don't care. I've shown it to you...you persist in your excuses. Honestly...at this point I'm done with it...you will believe what you want to believe.
In so many words, it most certainly does say it. But like so many heretics, because it doesn't directly say "women had sex with women", you won't believe it. Nevermind that it describes it in great detail as women lusting after each other with unnatural, degrading passions.
Fine...I don't care. I've shown it to you...you persist in your excuses. Honestly...at this point I'm done with it...you will believe what you want to believe.
It doesn't at ALL "describe in great detail as women lusting after each other with unnatural, degrading passions." Where does the Greek "describe" that? Nowhere at all.
You've shown nothing except your desire to see what isn't there and to ignore what the early church fathers wrote.
Of course you are "done with it". You have nothing to stand on
It doesn't at ALL "describe in great detail as women lusting after each other with unnatural, degrading passions." Where does the Greek "describe" that? Nowhere at all.
You've shown nothing except your desire to see what isn't there and to ignore what the early church fathers wrote.
Of course you are "done with it". You have nothing to stand on
It's interesting (and somewhat funny, and somewhat sad) to see someone whose faith is so weak and brittle that they literally have to twist language and reality into pretzels just to protect their groundless biases. So much fear in them.
Do we get tortured and burnt at the stake now for daring to prove him wrong?
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Where does the Greek "describe" that? Nowhere at all.
