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Old 03-21-2013, 04:00 PM
 
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It makes more sense, actually. The Transdimensional Space Apes have the Secret Math and Arcane Technologies to make a universe. What does God have? Nothing. Just "stuff."
Yeah, God cant even make a rock that's too big for him to move
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:04 PM
 
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He is eternal. I know that he never had a beginning.
How do you know that?
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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He is eternal. I know that he never had a beginning.
No you don't...You don't even know that such a thing exists...You have just been told that it does and you believed it.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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He is eternal. I know that he never had a beginning.
Again the cross purposes. Faith is not science. You do not "know". You "believe".

Someone wiser than I once said that science and faith do not intersect. They are parallel systems of belief.

I personally do not find anything in the teachings of Jesus that depends upon the age of the earth, or the process of evolution, for example.

Also, if you believe that God created the world, did God create radioactive decay, which is the basis of science's estimations of the age of the earth (up to 2.5 billion years old) or do you believe that radioactive dating is the creation of Satan made to deceive us? If the latter, how is it that God permits Satan to create things like fossils and radioactive dating and the speed of light and parallax (used for measuring distance of stars from earth) etc.

Long past time for those holding to medieval understandings of God, nature, and the universe to re-evaluate.

Just my humble opinion.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:38 PM
 
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How do you know that?
He told us.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:39 PM
 
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Again the cross purposes. Faith is not science. You do not "know". You "believe".

Someone wiser than I once said that science and faith do not intersect. They are parallel systems of belief.

I personally do not find anything in the teachings of Jesus that depends upon the age of the earth, or the process of evolution, for example.

Also, if you believe that God created the world, did God create radioactive decay, which is the basis of science's estimations of the age of the earth (up to 2.5 billion years old) or do you believe that radioactive dating is the creation of Satan made to deceive us? If the latter, how is it that God permits Satan to create things like fossils and radioactive dating and the speed of light and parallax (used for measuring distance of stars from earth) etc.

Long past time for those holding to medieval understandings of God, nature, and the universe to re-evaluate.

Just my humble opinion.
What assumptions are you making in regards to the beginning of the universe? I'm guessing your "knowledge" of it is not without faith.
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Old 03-21-2013, 04:56 PM
 
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Are you making ANY assumptions with that theory?
In the post you quoted I was not making any assumptions but instead I was highlighting yours.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:02 PM
 
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What assumptions are you making in regards to the beginning of the universe? I'm guessing your "knowledge" of it is not without faith.
In other words, you are incapable of answering simple questions, but prefer to deflect.

You answer my questions first. Then I will answer yours.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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Know what atheists and fundamentalists have in common?
Know what atheist and fundies have in common? They are both paedophiles. Why? Because if I get the set of all atheist... and the set of all theists.... both contain paedophiles.

That is essentially the same point you just made. If you start a point with "Know what atheists and fundamentalists have in common?" you could follow it with literally anything and it will probably be true for no other reason than some subset of both fit your criteria. Yes both groups have people who trawl and troll the pages of Biblical text for quotes to beat each other over the head with. Atheist Dan Barker does it well as he has a massive series of citations where the bible contradicts itself directly. You can hear all of these in his book or you can hear a sub section of them by you tubing his debate against the unfortunately named Kyle Butt.

Neither I nor the person you were quoting when making the above "point".... nor many atheists I have met or mixed with fit your description however. The bible is worth reading, yes. But we do not cite or quote passages of it in our argument against god... for the simple reason there is no evidence IN the bible for god. The entire text is predicated on the starting assumption there is a god. An assumption we simply do not share.

There simply is no arguments, evidence, data or reasoning on offer to substantiate the claim that a god exists. I require no biblical citations, or phrases, to point out that simple and inconvenient fact.
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Old 03-21-2013, 05:04 PM
 
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He told us.
He never told me
He never even told me he's a he
It never even told me it exists

How did it tell you?
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