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Old 03-23-2013, 12:56 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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You think 1 instance gives you the right to declare it as a good thing for society as a whole.

Here's another example of what being raised by two moms can result in:


Zach Wahls Speaks About Family - YouTube

And this is what professionals say about children raised by same sex parents:

News from The Associated Press

 
Old 03-23-2013, 01:12 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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And now this:

News from The Associated Press

Although I suppose if the bible doesn't say it, then it can't be true.
I would go so far as to suggest that kids with two moms or two dads on the whole do better, simply because most are adopted, which means that their parent actually wanted them...Sadly there are many, many families with heterosexual parents now where kids are accidental, inconvenient or just not wanted.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 01:13 PM
 
Location: Rivendell
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So, in other words, you have no real statistics. You think 1 instance gives you the right to declare it as a good thing for society as a whole.
Way to ignore the rest of my post.

At least I have one instance to support my point of view and all you have is your bizarre obsession with other people's sex lives.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 01:20 PM
 
Location: The Cascade Foothills
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I would go so far as to suggest that kids with two moms or two dads on the whole do better, simply because most are adopted, which means that their parent actually wanted them...Sadly there are many, many families with heterosexual parents now where kids are accidental, inconvenient or just not wanted.
I agree 100%.

There is a lot more thought and planning involved in choosing to adopt or to use IVF or to enlist the assistance of a surrogate than there is in a careless night after too much tequila.

I also think that since all the above procedures involve a fair amount of financial investment, that chances are those babies and older children by adoption will be raised in homes where the parents are often better equipped financially to take care of them.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 02:22 PM
 
Location: Ostend,Belgium....
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Way to go sanspeur, I would go that far too..There's no worse feeling than the one that comes from knowing you are unwanted by those who are supposed to be there to love you and protect you when you're little. How can sexual orientation and lifestyle influence whether you can truely love someone or not?
 
Old 03-23-2013, 03:53 PM
 
Location: Kansas
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Born homosexual? No one knows for sure. Choosing the behavior, a choice. Living a homosexual lifestyle with all the bells and whistles, a choice. Treating all people with respect is to be expected but compromising one's beliefs to support something they believe is morally wrong, choice, bad one.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 03:59 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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So, in other words, you have no real statistics. You think 1 instance gives you the right to declare it as a good thing for society as a whole.
Speaking of statistics...any stats about the horrors of homosexuality in the Netherlands? Real statistics?
Not the deluded, anecdotal ramblings of 'Ask The Bible Guy'

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Old 03-23-2013, 05:26 PM
 
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Living a homosexual lifestyle with all the bells and whistles, a choice.
They choose to eat and drink and sleep and wear clothing and go to baseball games and watch TV. Just like everyone else. They have to pay taxes and drive in rush-hour traffic. Just like everyone else.

They talk with their friends about their jobs and their families. Just like everyone else. They drive cars. They go to Target. They send their kids to school. They read books. They garden and drink beer and ride horses and play golf and save for vacation. Just like everyone else. Some choose to go to church on Sunday. Some choose to watch the Vikings play on Sunday. Some choose to take their kids to a park on Sunday. Just like everyone else.

Hmmm..... Is coming home from work and saying, "I got a raise at work. Let's celebrate and go have a steak for dinner tonight!" one of those homosexual bells and whistles?
 
Old 03-23-2013, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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They choose to eat and drink and sleep and wear clothing and go to baseball games and watch TV. Just like everyone else. They have to pay taxes and drive in rush-hour traffic. Just like everyone else.

They talk with their friends about their jobs and their families. Just like everyone else. They drive cars. They go to Target. They send their kids to school. They read books. They garden and drink beer and ride horses and play golf and save for vacation. Just like everyone else. Some choose to go to church on Sunday. Some choose to watch the Vikings play on Sunday. Some choose to take their kids to a park on Sunday. Just like everyone else.

Wow. What degenerates.
 
Old 03-23-2013, 06:01 PM
 
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So, in other words, you have no real statistics. You think 1 instance gives you the right to declare it as a good thing for society as a whole.
You want research on the outcomes for children who grew up with gay or lesbian parents? There is at least 40 years of research:

Here is a review of most of the research:

http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/parenting-full.pdf


And from health professionals who actually know what they are talking about because they use evidence instead of parroting prejudiced ignorant nonsense:

American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry (AACAP represents over 8,500 child and adolescent psychiatrists.)

"Current research shows that children with gay and lesbian parents do not differ from children with heterosexual parents in their emotional development or in their relationships with peers and adults. It is important for parents to understand that it is the quality of the parent/child relationship and not the parent’s sexual orientation that has an effect on a child’s development. Research has shown that in contrast to common beliefs, children of lesbian, gay, or transgender parents:
  • Are not more likely to be gay than children with heterosexual parents.
  • Are not more likely to be sexually abused.
  • Do not show differences in whether they think of themselves as male or female (gender identity).
  • Do not show differences in their male and female behaviors (gender role behavior)."

American Academy of Pediatrics: (represents over 60,000 Pediatricians)
"A growing body of scientific literature demonstrates that children who grow up with 1 or 2 gay and/or lesbian parents fare as well in emotional, cognitive, social, and sexual functioning as do children whose parents are heterosexual. Children’s optimal development seems to be influenced more by the nature of the relationships and interactions within the family unit than by the particular structural form it takes."


American Psychological Association - Amicus Briefs on Gay and Lesbian Parenting.(The APA represents over 137,000 Psychologists)
"Overall, the belief that children of lesbian and gayparents suffer deficits in personal development has no empirical foundation.
.....

The results of some studies suggest that lesbian mothers' and gay fathers' parenting skills may be superior to those of matched heterosexual couples. For instance, Flaks, Fischer, Masterpasqua, and Joseph (1995) reported that lesbian couples' parenting awareness skills were stronger than those of heterosexual couples. This was attributed to greater parenting awareness among lesbian nonbiological mothers than among heterosexual fathers. In one study, Brewaeys and her colleagues (1997) likewise reported more favorable patterns of parent-child interaction among lesbian as compared to heterosexual parents, but in another, they found greater similarities (Vanfraussen, Ponjaert-Kristoffersen, & Brewaeys, 2003)."


From The Journal of Marriage and Family Volume 72, Issue 1, pages 3–22, February 2010
How Does the Gender of Parents Matter? - Biblarz - 2010 - Journal of Marriage and Family - Wiley Online Library
The entrenched conviction that children need both a mother and a father inflames culture wars over single motherhood, divorce, gay marriage, and gay parenting. Research to date, however, does not support this claim. Contrary to popular belief, studies have not shown that "compared to all other family forms, families headed by married, biological parents are best for children" (Popenoe, quoted in Center for Marriage and Family, p. 1).
Research has not identified any gender-exclusive parenting abilities (with the partial exception of lactation). Our analysis confirms an emerging consensus among prominent researchers of fathering and child development. The third edition of Lamb's (1997) authoritative anthology directly reversed the inaugural volume's premise when it concluded that "very little about the gender of the parent seems to be distinctly important" (p. 10). Likewise, in Fath-erneed, Pruett (2000), a prominent advocate of involved fathering, confided, "I also now realize that most of the enduring parental skills are probably, in the end, not dependent on gender" (p. 18).
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