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There are only two schools of thought present today;
Nothing created everything
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.
It is clearly "simple" for any child to discern the truth.
Both your options are the same. Nothing created everything.
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Originally Posted by JeeperZ
A much better question might be asked -
Where did the sun originate and how do we test that (theory)
That would be a good place to begin since - without that sun no life could exist here on earth.
We know for fact: The sun is about a million times larger than the earth
We know for fact: The sun is about 93 million miles (strategically placed) from our location.
It is the precise distance away - for life to exist. Millions of species all reside here on earth.
How ? when ? What ? brought the sun into a such precise and "CONTROLLED" position and composition.
i'm all ears for this explanation;
Were I to fling a can of paint into this room, some would undoubtedly land on my desk. Would it be fair to claim then, that the paint hit my desk by some miraculous design?
The sun is precisely the required distance from the planet Earth. However, you've discounted the millions of other objects and several other planets within our solar system. Why, if everything is so precisely placed, are these scattered willy-nilly through space?
As for the sun - we know the solar system is somewhere around 4.5 billion years old. We've dated significant amounts of material from various sources throughout the solar system. We have also been able to ascertain, through study of ancient meteorites that a supernova occurred at approximately that time (there are particular isotopes whose formation is associated only with such events).
Given that stars, as Sanspeur has mentioned, are created by compression of dust clouds, a reasonable hypothesis can be created that the resulting shockwave from the nearby supernova compressed the surrounding dust enough to create a new star.
We know for fact: The sun is about a million times larger than the earth
We know for fact: The sun is about 93 million miles (strategically placed) from our location.
It is the precise distance away - for life to exist. Millions of species all reside here on earth.
How ? when ? What ? brought the sun into a such precise and "CONTROLLED" position and composition.
i'm all ears for this explanation;
You know, it's almost as if the only possible way for this question to be asked is if there was life intelligent enough to ask it. It's probably being asked on millions of planets which were favourable for life and not asked on billions which weren't right at this very moment. In fact, there could be a couple of fish arguing over the same question on Titan, never imagining that we're actually gids chosen bengs, not them.
The Big Bang turns out to be; not so big at all - just a whimper of sorts;
An unproven theory (within) another unproven theory.
Read the language carefully - It is easier to understand the bible in all its simplicity; than to understand these constantly evolving theories within other theories that are truly un-testable.
The bible was written for "children"
Psalm 119:130 The entrance of thy words giveth LIGHT - they give understanding unto the SIMPLE.
Why bother?
Off to empty the Atlantic ocean with a bucket. (something I have a felling I'll have much more success with)
I ordered your book on Amazon.com. It will be here in a couple weeks. I am now out $8.44.
If is this book is propaganda, that $8.44 may haunt you till the day you die, or leave Citi-Data. I will hunt down your posts, and remind you of that $8.44 I will never get back. That could have bought seven McDonald's McDoubles, or five of the big cans of Keystone Ice at the gas station. They're gone forever now.
If you mean that book In Six Days, you seriously should not have bought it. You can read the whole thing online at In Six Days - Answers in Genesis
It's very much the same Christian apologetics that we have seen before. I did not read all of it, but at least one article in there references Behe and irreducible complexity which has been debunked on this forum many times.
The *scientists* who are listed are all called laymen on the website, btw.
The Biology credentials of the persons listed are odd, to say the least. Wayne Frair is one of those and he was the president of the Creation Research Institute. Jerry R. Bergman is a science instructor with a degree in psychology. Henry Zuill is a professor of biology at Union College in Lincoln, Nebraska. The university is a Seventh Day Adventist college. Ariel A. Roth was the director of The Geoscience Institute in Loma Linda, CA which is a Seventh Day Adventist institution. That's just a few of the 50.
In today's scientific world; If you open your mouth and believe in Intelligent design - you are fired and you loose your job.
It was exactly the same issue with the global warming scare - now we find out - data was fudged to make it fit the model.
Today's scientists are using the same ol ploy - go with the flo if you want to keep your job.
Simple as that.
IN Six Days makes a whole lot more sense than anything I've read on this forum!!
The person who is worried he wasted the $$ on the book?? If you don't like that book or are not satisfied - I will TRIPLE your loss for you so you don't have to gripe.
In today's scientific world; If you open your mouth and believe in Intelligent design - you are fired and you loose your job.
It was exactly the same issue with the global warming scare - now we find out - data was fudged to make it fit the model.
Today's scientists are using the same ol ploy - go with the flo if you want to keep your job.
Simple as that.
IN Six Days makes a whole lot more sense than anything I've read on this forum!!
The person who is worried he wasted the $$ on the book?? If you don't like that book or are not satisfied - I will TRIPLE your loss for you so you don't have to gripe.
We know for fact: The sun is about a million times larger than the earth
We know for fact: The sun is about 93 million miles (strategically placed) from our location.
It is the precise distance away - for life to exist. Millions of species all reside here on earth.
How ? when ? What ? brought the sun into a such precise and "CONTROLLED" position and composition.
i'm all ears for this explanation;
Why is earth the right distance away from the sun for it to be habitable? Because if earth couldn't support life, we wouldn't be here to talk about it. There's a zillion solar systems out there without life in them, statistically you were eventually going to get one that could support life and evolve an ecosystem. Of course we as evolved biological intelligences are on one, if we weren't, we couldn't be. We are the perfect distance from the sun because if we weren't, we wouldn't have happened. It's not God, it's just that with that many star systems, eventually you were going to get one like this, and the only things that could have a conversation about would necessarily have to be on it. If there's a similar planet in the Andromeda galaxy, maybe they're having the same conversation. Or maybe none of them are intelligent and it's like the Earth was for the whole rest of its history, with just plants and non-sentient animal life.
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