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Old 11-01-2007, 12:34 PM
 
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Such a point would be false. Gene mutation is not controlled by belief. We are not selected for belief. Intelligence is selected for, but belief has no impact on the process of evolution. Faith is mostly a cultural phenomenon. It has nothing to do with biology.
So if we believe that living near the equator is beneficial for us but it really isn't and our bodies evolve because we move to the equator, you are saying that that belief that living near the equator was good had nothing to do with the adaptations that were a result of it.

Sorry, that just confirms to me what I already know. The answers are where the questions are derived from, not the other way around.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:43 PM
 
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Such a point would be false. Gene mutation is not controlled by belief. We are not selected for belief. Intelligence is selected for, but belief has no impact on the process of evolution. Faith is mostly a cultural phenomenon. It has nothing to do with biology.
Most people do select their mates based in part on belief. Just because a human makes a decision to consider another's beliefs when choosing a mating partner doesn't make it any less a part of natural selection. Beliefs do shape natural selection because people are deciding to mate or not mate with others based on their faith (or their lack of faith).
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:04 PM
 
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So if we believe that living near the equator is beneficial for us but it really isn't and our bodies evolve because we move to the equator, you are saying that that belief that living near the equator was good had nothing to do with the adaptations that were a result of it.
The belief is irrelevant. Those living at the equator will feel selection pressure based on their genetic makeup, not their beliefs. Two genetically similar populations will evolve similarly, regardless of whether one believes the equator is healthy and the other does not. There is no gene for belief. Belief is not handed down biologically.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:07 PM
 
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The belief is irrelevant. Those living at the equator will feel selection pressure based on their genetic makeup, not their beliefs. Two genetically similar populations will evolve similarly, regardless of whether one believes the equator is healthy and the other does not. There is no gene for belief. Belief is not handed down biologically.
Well, I think you see what I am saying you just can't allow yourself to say it.

Let me spell it out for you: The belief is why they are there in the first place.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:08 PM
 
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Most people do select their mates based in part on belief. Just because a human makes a decision to consider another's beliefs when choosing a mating partner doesn't make it any less a part of natural selection. Beliefs do shape natural selection because people are deciding to mate or not mate with others based on their faith (or their lack of faith).
As soon as you can show the "belief gene," you will have a valid point. Apparently you are confused as to how evolution works. Traits such as hair color, size and intelligence are passed on biologically. Faith is not. If there were a gene for faith, African Americans would not be overwhelmingly Christian.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:10 PM
 
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Well, I think you see what I am saying you just can't allow yourself to say it.

Let me spell it out for you: The belief is why they are there in the first place.
Yes, I see what you are saying, which has absolutely nothing to do with evolution. Please, Alpha. Don't take my word for it. Allow ( ) yourself a bit of education on the subject. There's a world of it out there.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:11 PM
 
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As soon as you can show the "belief gene," you will have a valid point. Apparently you are confused as to how evolution works. Traits such as hair color, size and intelligence are passed on biologically. Faith is not. If there were a gene for faith, African Americans would not be overwhelmingly Christian.
Can temperature effect evolution?
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:13 PM
 
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Can temperature effect evolution?
Yes. Belief cannot.

If you believe you can fly, and plummet to your death, that would be unintentional suicide, not evolution. Evolution is not controlled by our thoughts. You're on the wrong track, Alpha.
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:18 PM
 
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Yes. Belief cannot.

If you believe you can fly, and plummet to your death, that would be unintentional suicide, not evolution. Evolution is not controlled by our thoughts. You're on the wrong track, Alpha.
OK, well since you pointed out all that wealth of knowledge that's out there, I'm gonna let you track me down the temperature gene.

Because that's the point I'm making. Our beliefs can effect our evolution(if it existed) just like temperature, wind, humidity and any other outside influence.

So, go find me genes for these things that effect evolution and I'll just be here thumbing through some old family albums....http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/forjerz/monkey_couple_swinging_kid_sm_clr.gif (broken link)
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Old 11-01-2007, 01:36 PM
 
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OK, well since you pointed out all that wealth of knowledge that's out there, I'm gonna let you track me down the temperature gene.

Because that's the point I'm making. Our beliefs can effect our evolution(if it existed) just like temperature, wind, humidity and any other outside influence.

So, go find me genes for these things that effect evolution and I'll just be here thumbing through some old family albums....http://i197.photobucket.com/albums/aa19/forjerz/monkey_couple_swinging_kid_sm_clr.gif (broken link)
Oh brother. You don't understand evolution, Alpha, but you won't allow yourself to say it.

Mother: Is it a boy or girl?

Doctor: A girl. And guess what? She believes in astrology!

(The irony of a false argument for evolution coupled with a parenthetical "if it existed" is truly mind boggling.)
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