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Old 06-02-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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You can remove about a page of scripture (1 Cor 11-14 or so) and there would be nothing whatsoever against women. But you have to throw the baby out with the bathwater, because dead in the middle is the long speech about Love.



It makes perfect sense. There are plenty of reasons people become atheists. Some of them are like that naturally because their background wasn't highly spiritual. Or they came to the belief that a reality without a god is more rational/logical. But like it or not, these people generally don't go out of their way to disprove Christianity. Other reasons? People bothering them alot trying to convert them, they dislike the idea of accountability to a higher power, or sometimes extreme grief. Usually, the most defensive and obnoxious atheists, are those who at some level not just do not care about a god, but actively are annoyed by it.

In other words, what they are most trying to confront their doubts about their atheism, by attacking them as if an outside force. The same way literalist Christians are harboring deep seated doubts, since literal Christianity doesn't actually make sense.
As an atheist, I might argue about some of what you say, but not a great deal. To be fair, you make some valid or at least creditable points. Atheists become so for various reasons -or at least through various channels. And they (like Christians) can either be quiet about it or 'boisterously spread the good news' as that dark matter video puts it (I won't post it yet again). That's what I do and I don't apologize for it. I believe, and am convinced, that it is necessary that we do so.
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Old 06-02-2013, 09:25 PM
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...why do you often see more women than men in church?

P.S., It is not my opinion that Christianity is anti-woman, but some people seem to believe it is.
There are so many different types of Christianity that it would be hard to give one answer the question with one answer.

I think that some utra Fundamentalist Christians are very misogynistic and hierarchical. There are churches that do not ordain women, and I personally could not attend one.

There are some people on this forum who are misogynistic also.

Fundamentalist Christianity does not corner the market on misogyny. I'm afraid that the fundamentalist strains of Judaism and Islam seen to hold equally repressive views of women.

Jesus, in His ministry was very inclusive in terms of gender, and He counted many women among His friends.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:33 AM
 
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And perhaps one as the most worthy to expound his teachings, according to the gospel of Mary.
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:46 AM
 
Location: Venice Italy
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All religious principles are aimed to the woman and to define she as an inferior being, it is written that God created man and then.. the woman, but .. every man walking on this planet was created by a woman, are we sure that God was a man?
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Old 06-03-2013, 03:53 AM
 
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Are we sure that God even has gender?
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Old 06-03-2013, 10:45 AM
 
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Creativity is female talent, This is a philosophical passage which should be discussed
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Old 06-03-2013, 01:45 PM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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Creativity is female talent, This is a philosophical passage which should be discussed
Good idea. The gender feminine as creative principle vs. the apparent irrelevance of gender in a cosmic creative being. Thread coming soon.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:01 PM
 
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Again none of the anti-theists can answer the fact that the world pushes system of values that are far more damaging for women with the promotion of pornography, unrealistic standards of beauty leading to insecurity and in many cases bulimia and anorexia, a society that uses sexualization as a marketing tool on pre-teenage girls at younger and younger ages.

And now a "sex education" agenda that is encouraging children as young as grade school to explore their sexuality
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:52 PM
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Again none of the anti-theists can answer the fact that the world pushes system of values that are far more damaging for women with the promotion of pornography, unrealistic standards of beauty leading to insecurity and in many cases bulimia and anorexia, a society that uses sexualization as a marketing tool on pre-teenage girls at younger and younger ages.

And now a "sex education" agenda that is encouraging children as young as grade school to explore their sexuality
Of course society isn't perfect. Never has been, unlikely ever to be.

But education often means having to relinquish ideas-previously-thought-to-be-true. For instance: Earth is the center of the universe, god fashioned Adam from dust, Noah had dinosaurs on board and oh yeah - women should be silent and keep their legs crossed (unless hubby demanded his rights, of course).

Most of the Abrahamic religions of which I am aware, demean women by assigning them subservient roles - both within the ceremonies used to practice those religions and outside them, within society. For the most part, women are to nurture and support - to be leaned upon - not to lead. (Props to the Israelis and Indians though, for Golda Meir and Indira Gandhi. And yes, I am aware that Hinduism is not Abrahamic-based.)

For much too long, girls have been held hostage by the roles demanded of them by entrenched, male-dominated, patriarchal religions.

Only education will set them free - most definitely including sex education - perhaps above all. If a girl grows into womanhood believing she is in control of her body, mind, and soul, then she is also in control of her destiny.

That kind of freedom for women is anathema to fundamentalists. They've got it pretty good as long as their women stay quiet and submissive.

Women need to understand and re-take the power they once held, and still deserve, as creators and innovators. They should shrug off the shackles of a 2,000 year-old, patriarchal system designed over centuries to ease men's lives.

ATTC, I understand your fear and unease.

And I celebrate it.
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Old 06-04-2013, 11:54 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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...why do you often see more women than men in church?

P.S., It is not my opinion that Christianity is anti-woman, but some people seem to believe it is.


Well.....I am not a Christian, but I have read the Bible. My first inclination would be to ask: Have you read your own Bible? It's replete with anti feminism. Does that constitute anti feminism? Sure could if you looked at it a certain way.
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