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Why? What is the difference? Dont they both claim to worship God?
They both claim to worship the same god, yes. Other, unrelated religions claim to worship different gods.
To use my language analogy - both Spanish (Judaism) and French (Christianity) can look to Latin (God) for their origin. They are related. But they are not the same. It's an imperfect analogy given that Judaism is the original, but there aren't many cases of mother languages existing as real languages at the same time as offspring languages.
Why? What is the difference? Dont they both claim to worship God?
If that is your only criteria, then you should also say that Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, and every other theistic religion is the same religion. After all, they all worship God.
Judaism and Christianity are very far apart and have been for a very long time. The initial Jesus sects most likely kept close to the parent, but once Jesus was seen as messiah and God incarnate the relationship ended.
If that is your only criteria, then you should also say that Islam, Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, and every other theistic religion is the same religion. After all, they all worship God.
Judaism and Christianity are very far apart and have been for a very long time. The initial Jesus sects most likely kept close to the parent, but once Jesus was seen as messiah and God incarnate the relationship ended.
So you would say that your belief about who God is and his nature is important?
Thoughts? How do we determine what a "denomination" is, or if it's a separate religion?
I think it is a very fuzzy line determined by the participants, and by the social and religious thought of the day.
Technically a denomination is a subgroup of a larger religious tradition with a distinct tradition, community, and doctrine. The question of who defines denominations and who defines the broader religious traditions is one of influence and tradition. There is no "correct" answer.
For example, if one approaches the world from the assumption that there is one god, and all religions worship different facets of the same god in different ways, then there are no seperate religions, they are all essentially denominations or traditions within the same universal worship of the one universal god.
On the other hand some groups that I would see as a Christian denomination tend to see themselves as the only representaive of Christinity, and all others are not merely denomonations, but false religions that have nothing in common withe the truth (their own practice, naturally).
As a general consensus, often the history of the group and its doctrine are compared with other groups using the same label. It is an imperfect and fuzzy categorization, but for the most part it works. We can generally agree that Zen Buddhism and Seventh Day Adventists are not a part of the same broader religious tradition and thus would be separate religions, and not denominations or sects of the same tradition.
Some religions like the Bah'ai faith, which sprang from Islam, or the Sabeans, an offshoot of Judaism and early Christianity, are generally regarded as a separate religions. Others are more contentious. Practitioners of Amadiyya view themselves as Muslim, other Muslims do not. Mormons and JWs view themselves as Christians, some other groups do not. As recently as 25 years ago, I was taught to view the Catholic Church as not part of Christianity, only Protestants had it right.
Certainly any time one tries to categorize these things with a theological axe to grind, you are liable to get disputed results. The short answer is that there is no objective way to categorize these things, and any attempt will have fuzzy boundaries and grey areas.
How are they related, if Christianity is the complete violation of Judaism?
I'm not sure if this is a serious question or one just to point out the stark differences between Judaism and Christianity, but here goes: they are related because the early Jesus followers considered themselves Jewish and to be fulfilling Jewish prophecies. Of course, the vast majority of Jews said "no way" and the Jesus Followers turned into Christianity, a separate religion. But the roots are still in Judaism. The fact that they are antithetical/not reconcilable is irrelevant. Christianity sprang from an unusual branch of Judaism.
Where do you believe Christianity came from? Was it just born in a vacuum?
I completely agree with you. Many people here consider Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses to be denominations of Christianity. Since they have a fundamentally different understanding of who God is, i view them as different religions entirely.
I completely agree with you. Many people here consider Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses to be denominations of Christianity. Since they have a fundamentally different understanding of who God is, i view them as different religions entirely.
Of course, since you all call yourselves Christians, it might mean that either the Mormons or the JWs are the real ones and you are a just a Vizionite poser.
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