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The Bible is your truth. Trying to make others abide by its ancient laws is no different in any way than living in a theocracy such as that espoused by The Taliban.
If we used The Bible as the basis for our entire legal system, we'd still be killing people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath, as commanded by Yahweh.
If we used The Bible as the basis for our entire legal system, we'd still be killing people for picking up sticks on the Sabbath, as commanded by Yahweh.
That would be a particular interpretation of the Bible. In fairness to Vizio, I doubt he would favor such a law as in his view the OT legal system has been superseded by grace (mostly, anyway, I'm sure he reserves some cherry picking rights for certain things the NT is silent or non-specific about). This is, for example, why he doesn't observe the Sabbath and why he has no doubt picked up sticks himself on Saturday.
Although also in fairness if he believed the death penalty for picking up sticks on the Sabbath was still in effect he'd be untroubled by it, because, after all, godsaidit.
But the problem remains, as you point out, there is no such thing as objective Biblical Truth. There is only some interpretive spin. A Christian theocracy could by definition not exist, as the difference between "total nutjob snake handling fundamentalism" and "bleeding heart liberal Christianity" is way too broad for a consensus; it would be a Fundamentalist Christian theocracy and it would have factions competing for who is the most true to the Bible. It would represent "sufficiently" fundamentalist persons and attempt to cudgel everyone else into conformity with that. This is the way things already work in pockets of the Bible Belt, unofficially.
The point of the OP is that Exodus - a major Christian organization - has effectively said it was wrong and has shut down its operations. To me that's a sea change in attitude toward the GLBT community among some sects. While I am not Christian I am heartened by that.
Why do you care? You've made it clear that you have no use for the Bible.
The Bible is very useful for showing how people like you hypocritically cherry pick out of context whatever they want from it to bolster up their prejudice and ignorance.
As I pointed out above, I wrongly accused you of lying. Please--I was wrong. I'm sorry.
Having said that...If I want to set up a ministry to minister to anyone, what business is it of your's?
It is worth taking time to read posts and threads to avoid the kind of error above. Do keep up.
As for what business it is of mine.... it certainly is if the ministrations you are engaged in cause actual harm to others. If you bother to read the article in the OP you will find that the people who closed down this ministry acknowledge THEMSELVES that not only did their attempts to "cure" homosexuality fail.... it actively harmed the people they "worked" with.
If you want to cause harm to others then yes, I WILL make it my business. Good luck trying to stop me.
You are, remember, the one who claimed that you can not simply "let them be".
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Originally Posted by Vizio
We have ministries to drunkards....what's your problem with ministering to another type of sin?
Alcoholism is actively harmful and dangerous. Homosexuality is not. Crass comparison from you. For shame. The same is shameful about your bringing "murder" into it too.
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Originally Posted by Vizio
They are all sinners in need of a savior--just like you and me.
Speak for yourself. I require no such thing, least of all for the reasons you have been spewing onto the thread.
It is worth taking time to read posts and threads to avoid the kind of error above. Do keep up.
As for what business it is of mine.... it certainly is if the ministrations you are engaged in cause actual harm to others. If you bother to read the article in the OP you will find that the people who closed down this ministry acknowledge THEMSELVES that not only did their attempts to "cure" homosexuality fail.... it actively harmed the people they "worked" with.
If you want to cause harm to others then yes, I WILL make it my business. Good luck trying to stop me.
You are, remember, the one who claimed that you can not simply "let them be".
Alcoholism is actively harmful and dangerous. Homosexuality is not. Crass comparison from you. For shame. The same is shameful about your bringing "murder" into it too.
Speak for yourself. I require no such thing, least of all for the reasons you have been spewing onto the thread.
Speak for yourself. Homosexuality is actively harmful and dangerous. It will also drag a persons soul to hell.
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