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Old 06-26-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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There's an obvious and exponential growth of free-thinking atheism, as noted in this interesting video:

Refusing My Religion

The obvious effects of the Internet on independent thinking, of critical analysis of all the once-thought inerrant biblical stories, has been simply staggering, as has the 'Net's amazing effect on all aspects of information sharing.

This includes the ability for an individual to post his or her ideas on anything, but significantly, on religious topics, without being publicly stoned or dragged into the village square for a suitable spiritual punishment.

That sort of historical and punitive practice is exactly what generated the errant but oft-claimed assumption by ardent modern Christians that, historically, all Americans and Europeans were indeed devout Christians. And that this country was therefore founded entirely on Christianity, and is, in it's heart, a Christian organization.

PoppyCock I say!

They didn't know it at the time, but they were simply being swept along by that vast tide of cultivated illiteracy coupled with the church's steadfast vigilance as regards any rising atheistic thinking. "Keep science in it's cave!" they insisted.

Thank God, so to speak, for the Internet, huh? Think on, fellow citizens! It's only a matter of a few more decades until Christianity fails and topples worldwide.

But then we'll still have to deal with that hive of fomented illiteracy, Islam.

No problem: by then, all of those people will hopefully have access to the 'net, though you will see a concerted effort by Muslim organizations to stifle such independence as it becomes mainstream.

Imagine: Islamic sandwich & tea houses with touch-screen WiFi screens built into each table! Yikes! Allahu Akbar!
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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When the populations cease to breed. When the genes are plucked from the cells. When the skies boil and the sky demons cease their reign. When all minds are joined into one, and all criticisms are gracefully answered. When all holes are filled and all needs met. When atheist genes out-breed their competitors and allow them to dwindle in a natural way, when atheists are driven to die for the truth as if though the truth filled their lusts.

atheism will not become mainstream unless it needs (or gets lucky) to be mainstream, and so it has been for all viewpoints.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:40 PM
 
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Thank God, so to speak, for the Internet, huh? Think on, fellow citizens! It's only a matter of a few more decades until Christianity fails and topples worldwide.
Only a few more decades? Sorry, Rifleman, I have to disagree. It's so firmly entrenched that IF it were to fail and topple it would take a great deal longer.

Besides the Christians also know how to make videos and put stuff on the internet. If we ever managed to actually agree with each other (doubtful) a heck of a PR campaign could be put together. (Though the fundies are cheap so raising money could be a problem. There would have to be a guerilla campaign waged by the liberal Christians anxious to tax and spend to fund things.)
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:59 PM
 
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Yes indeed. But the thing is that I would risk a large amount of money that the atheist case makes a lot more sense and is in the end a damn' sight more intellectually satisfying than the theist one.

Especially, and this is a very important factor in the Plan to let all the kinds, brands and stripes of believer know that they are very welcome to keep their religion and they will have the same right as anyone else to practice and believe and even to tell everyone about it.

Freedom of religion and freedom from it, if required and nobody will be prevented from practicing it and nobody will be prevented from leaving it. There will be laws about that.

Secular humanism will not seek to abolish religion but will ensure that there is a level playing field and no one religion will lord it over another.

It may not even need an organization or Party (though a beer fountain on Infidels Day would be nice) but just voices, votes and finally laws.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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I think it may still take a couple of generations. It'll require at least a couple of heavyweight political leaders in the developed world to "come out" as Agnostics or Atheists.

Then, if God doesn't smite 'em, a few more will scamper out of the closet. Before you know it, the little rascals will breed with impunity and we'll be knee-deep in people nattering about Science all the time.
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:27 PM
 
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OP: Richard Dawkins agrees with you. So do Lawrence Krauss and Sam Harris, I think, by their public stances.

Good work!
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Old 06-26-2013, 02:31 PM
 
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Yay. More atheistic prosletyzing.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:08 PM
 
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There's an obvious and exponential growth of free-thinking atheism, as noted in this interesting video:
I wish I shared your confidence. I agree that with the internet, the number of Christians will decrease, but there will still be about 1/2 the population in the US who are entrenched. The most intelligent among us do not pass on their genes as much as those who do not posses critical thinking skills.

Another reason why I don't see the end is that Christianity has an admirable ability to adapt to change. One might think that Christianity would have been mortally wounded when the atrocities of the popes came into public view or when it was shown that the earth did not undergo a world wide flood, nor was only 6 - 10,000 years old.

As for cultural movements, even the empowerment of women which stand in contrast to the various writings of biblical scripture, Christianity always reinvents itself to what is currently accepted culturally.
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Old 06-26-2013, 03:13 PM
 
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(though a beer fountain on Infidels Day would be nice)
First dibs on the souvenir t-shirt concession!
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Old 06-26-2013, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Oklahoma
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The main thing that non believers have in their corner besides the free flow of information, and new discovery is just plain old time.

In Hal Lindsay's 1970 book "The Late Great Planet Earth" he confidently predicted that the return of Christ was nigh. The years go by......... No Jesus.................100 more years go by..............No Jesus................1000 more years go by...........
No Jesus........

Christians will evolve the prophecies to fit current events of the times but more and more people will realize that this is exactly what the Christians are doing.
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