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Old 07-25-2013, 11:22 AM
 
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Let's say you want to believe that a supreme, supernatural being known as God did the following:

- created the heavens and earth and all life on earth

- made humans in his image

- sent his only Son to die for the sins of humanity

- will give humans eternal life after they die

However, you can find absolutely zero evidence that any of this is true. So, is it still okay to believe in all of this in spite of the absence of evidence?

Does evidence matter at all in deciding whether or not someone should believe in God?
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:34 AM
 
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It is NOT okay to believe in ANYTHING without evidence ...
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:35 AM
 
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Nope. It's completely ludicrous.

Good thing we've got a whole bunch of evidence--including creation, and even a book that he inspired that contains the very words he's spoken. If people are closed-minded enough not to recognize the evidence we have, then there's not much we can do with that.
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Old 07-25-2013, 11:54 AM
 
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Well, there are. While we may disagree about which way the evidence points, we all seem to agree that evidence is needed.
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:13 PM
 
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Well, there are. While we may disagree about which way the evidence points, we all seem to agree that evidence is needed.
Too add a little more. or maybe just rephrasing what you said.

I doubt if it is even possible to believe something without a reason/evidence.

We may disagree about the validity of the evidence, but what a person perceives as evidence is required for them to believe.
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Old 07-25-2013, 01:08 PM
 
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Default Do you think it is okay to believe in God even if you can find no evidence for the existence of God?

I believe the OP has posed this question in good faith. However, I suspect all the evidence that does exist he has assigned to "Nature" or "natural" given his use of the term "supernatural." Since the supernatural does NOT exist (there is only things we do not yet understand) . . . he has automatically excluded all the extant evidence of God . . . which is considerable. Of course, as Arequipa will be quick to point out . . . there are certain attributes of God that have little to no tangible evidence . . . except in the scribblings of we humans over our meager existence. Vizio will of course give them the same if not more weight than all the "natural" evidence . That is the real issue. Different people will credit different evidence, period.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:01 PM
 
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Everyone uses some form of evidence to come to his/her conclusion, but some evidence is good and some is bad. Faith is evidence to some, as is personal experiences and ancient writings, but all are BAD evidence. This can be seen in what is accepted in courts of law, in which neither of these would hold any weight in testimony. What is required is objective, verifiable, and falsifiable evidence.
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Old 07-25-2013, 02:02 PM
 
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Well no matter what re the thread idea only... theres a problem with cosmic god. If cosmic God is going to deliberately replace some fair sincerely honest representation of a fully known bible god of sorts, there would need to be evidence to support the wild claim, iow the position automatically has cosmic god in full conscientious argument with bible god.

For instance where are cosmic god's commandments if so true. And there is no escaping cosmic's gods responsibility in manner of existence on behalf of the proposition to clearly show how exactly cosmic god is justified in manner of existence, rationally ahead of bible god.

Therefore all cosmic god represents is the greatest profound deliberate and intentional heresy from bible itself. ( not speaking of many religions who have constructive idea's.

Cosmic god : A decision to make self God, by making god, man's biggest mistake and a known blunder in so many ways including social progress.

As far as science is concerned, we know less and less at an accelerating rate with respects to this subject, a God. Relativity being the wake up call of the century. Any argument can simply result in a suggestion to check out a book, how about Davies the great physicist..About Time, for the lay people like myself, a good wake up call on the science and this subject. He discuss's time from the scientific and its def not a rel book.

Its amazing, bible god of sorts ( all constructive faiths) gets replaced by the chief complaint and everybody knows what it is, which cannot be anything but greater, in the new cosmic god.

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Old 07-25-2013, 03:12 PM
 
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Nope. It's completely ludicrous.

Good thing we've got a whole bunch of evidence--including creation, and even a book that he inspired that contains the very words he's spoken. If people are closed-minded enough not to recognize the evidence we have, then there's not much we can do with that.
Do the Vedas also count as a whole bunch of evidence in support of Hindu beliefs?
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Old 07-25-2013, 03:26 PM
 
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Nope. It's completely ludicrous.

Good thing we've got a whole bunch of evidence--including creation, and even a book that he inspired that contains the very words he's spoken. If people are closed-minded enough not to recognize the evidence we have, then there's not much we can do with that.
One can't credibly use a book as evidence to prove the book. Also, creation (which is not proven) is not evidence of a god, but less evidence of the Christian god. Have anything else?
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