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ATHEIST historians??? Why do you people consider it necessary to lie so much?
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The only one you got right.
So why don't you tell us why you have to lie by giving a list of academics that you claim are "atheist historians" when clearly, they are not atheist? Is the 'truth' of your beliefs so shaky that you have to blatantly 'Lie for Jesus'.
Regardless of what anyone "believes" Jesus Christ was in actuality...He sure turned out to be what's been claimed He was/is.
I submit...Not only was/is He the "Way and the Truth" for more people than any other person there ever was...He was/is the "Way and the Truth" for more people than ALL the other people there ever was PUT TOGETHER. And I'm saying EEEEEEEEEVERYBODY...from the greatest to the smallest, put together...don't command the "hearts" of men like He does.
I've just begun to learn about this. The reason for that "influence" is...Jesus is an integral aspect of the Universal Field that founds and establishes our existence, and His "mojo" is "applied" through that Cosmic Consciousness...so He was/is/and always will be "ALL THAT" to mankind. It is that Universal Field that is the ONLY force/power that is "part" of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING...thus Jesus is part of each and every one of us.
So, nevermind we consider, "Did Jesus ever Exist?"...if ANYTHING exists...Jesus exists.
Regardless of what anyone "believes" Jesus Christ was in actuality...He sure turned out to be what's been claimed He was/is.
I submit...Not only was/is He the "Way and the Truth" for more people than any other person there ever was...He was/is the "Way and the Truth" for more people than ALL the other people there ever was PUT TOGETHER. And I'm saying EEEEEEEEEVERYBODY...from the greatest to the smallest, put together...don't command the "hearts" of men like He does.
I've just begun to learn about this. The reason for that "influence" is...Jesus is an integral aspect of the Universal Field that founds and establishes our existence, and His "mojo" is "applied" through that Cosmic Consciousness...so He was/is/and always will be "ALL THAT" to mankind. It is that Universal Field that is the ONLY force/power that is "part" of ANYTHING and EVERYTHING...thus Jesus is part of each and every one of us.
So, nevermind we consider, "Did Jesus ever Exist?"...if ANYTHING exists...Jesus exists.
I submit...Not only was/is He the "Way and the Truth" for more people than any other person there ever was...He was/is the "Way and the Truth" for more people than ALL the other people there ever was PUT TOGETHER. And I'm saying EEEEEEEEEVERYBODY...from the greatest to the smallest, put together...don't command the "hearts" of men like He does.
You haven't absorbed much in your time here have you. Argumentum ad Populum doesn't mean the belief is true...only that it's popular.
You haven't absorbed much in your time here have you. Argumentum ad Populum doesn't mean the belief is true...only that it's popular.
Gldrule and Mystic again display their complete illogicality.
That millions of people have found inspiration in the myth of Christ no more means that he really existed than the inspiration a girl violinist found in Harry Potter makes him real.
You must see, Mystic, mate, that applauding such illogic only makes your claim to have science supporting your theories also look very questionable.
You haven't absorbed much in your time here have you. Argumentum ad Populum doesn't mean the belief is true...only that it's popular.
I've absorbed a lot Raf'...just not from you. Well, I take that back...there are those great "vintage snark" examples of yours that have been really educational.
And let's get something straight...Ad pop may not "necessarily" mean a belief is true---But OVERWHELMING ad pop...among hundreds and hundreds of millions of an educated and perceptive populace...especially if many intellectual superlatives are counted among them...does MUCH MORE than demonstrate "only that it's popular". Only the truly ignorant would say consensus of that magnitude counts for NOTHING. Ad pop is also a very valuable tool to assist in the assessment of indirect, secondary, and circumstantial evidence...and would certainly have the effect of requiring any dissenting determination to produce all that much more objective verification to be able to weigh against it.
Many cases in this world have been determined without any direct evidence...for determinations that meet the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" are rarely not considered sufficient. Whenever it occurs that is declared to be insufficient... it is usually indicative of a biased "axe grinder", not an inaccurate determination. And, I submit...in the "Did Jesus Exist Case"...it would require EPIC bias to rule on the side of a dissenting determination.
Gldrule and Mystic again display their complete illogicality.
That millions of people have found inspiration in the myth of Christ no more means that he really existed than the inspiration a girl violinist found in Harry Potter makes him real.
You must see, Mystic, mate, that applauding such illogic only makes your claim to have science supporting your theories also look very questionable.
Wrong. What is on display is your total bias.
I submit...It's typical of people to put their life on the line every day, during a myriad of different activities (like motor vehicle operation)...with no empirical evidence assuring their safety...but then, all of a sudden INSIST they NEED empirical evidence when debating an issue that, regardless of determination, has no potential to cause them any physical harm what-so-ever. How disingenuous can you get?!!
I've absorbed a lot Raf'...just not from you. Well, I take that back...there are those great "vintage snark" examples of yours that have been really educational.
And let's get something straight...Ad pop may not "necessarily" mean a belief is true---But OVERWHELMING ad pop...among hundreds and hundreds of millions of an educated and perceptive populace...especially if many intellectual superlatives are counted among them...does MUCH MORE than demonstrate "only that it's popular". Only the truly ignorant would say consensus of that magnitude counts for NOTHING. Ad pop is also a very valuable tool to assist in the assessment of indirect, secondary, and circumstantial evidence...and would certainly have the effect of requiring any dissenting determination to produce all that much more objective verification to be able to weigh against it.
Many cases in this world have been determined without any direct evidence...for determinations that meet the standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" are rarely not considered sufficient. Whenever it occurs that is declared to be insufficient... it is usually indicative of a biased "axe grinder", not an inaccurate determination. And, I submit...in the "Did Jesus Exist Case"...it would require EPIC bias to rule on the side of a dissenting determination.
I submit...It's typical of people to put their life on the line every day, during a myriad of different activities (like motor vehicle operation)...with no empirical evidence assuring their safety...but then, all of a sudden INSIST they NEED empirical evidence when debating an issue that, regardless of determination, has no potential to cause them any physical harm what-so-ever. How disingenuous can you get?!!
You really need to take a basic course in logical reasoning.
We go through life using experience. Faith based on experience, knowledge of what we are dealing with and how things work. It is not sure-fire but it is good enough to work with. We KNOW our car might not start. We KNOW that it might not be safe to cross the road. We make allowances for that.
Faith in any religion is, of course, based on what they have been told. But, unlike roads and cars, their faith proves nothing. Only the validity of the various Holy Books prove anything at all and what they prove is nothing like enough.
That millions of people trust their car to start proves that the science behind car engines in reliable.
That millions of people believe in Jesus proves nothing because the Bible is not a believable document. The 'science' behind it does not stack up. Belief in a religion through personal conviction proves nothing. Belief in a religion through miracles proves nothing.
There was a time when NO-ONE believed in Jesus. They all believed in Graeco - roman type religions. Were their veiws valid? I doubt you would say so. You's say they were all misquided.
That is what we argue here, that the belief of millions is based on nothing reliable, therefore their massive belief logically proves nothing whatsoever.
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