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I was hoping they had something interesting to say, but it seems to be a lot of doublespeak. They are still relying on irreducible complexity which has already been disproved, and they seem to think that Michael Behe is a reputable source.
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The first problem with the critics' definition is that it frames ID as merely a negative argument against evolution. In fact, ID offers a strong positive argument, based on finding in nature the type of information and complexity that, in our experience, comes from intelligence alone. I will explain this positive argument further in Part B of this article. Those who claim ID is nothing more than a negative argument against evolution are misrepresenting ID.
The first problem with the critics' definition is that it frames ID as merely a negative argument against evolution. In fact, ID offers a strong positive argument, based on finding in nature the type of information and complexity that, in our experience, comes from intelligence alone. I will explain this positive argument further in Part B of this article. Those who claim ID is nothing more than a negative argument against evolution are misrepresenting ID. - See more at: What Is the Theory of Intelligent Design? - Evolution News & Views
I read the whole article and I didn't find any evidence to support their argument.
There is no theory of Intelligent Design. It's not falsifiable and it's not repeatable. It's not science at all, just a philiosophical world view wrapped in pseudo-science.
The article tries to show that ID is merely the search for signs of "intelligence" behind the design of nature and is not referencing the supernatural. What they fail to define is "intelligence" itself. If a strand of DNA splits in two, is that "intelligent?" If a boulder rolls down a hill, is that proof of "intelligence?"
And not only do they fail with "intelligence," they also gloss over what they mean by "design." It is merely an assumption that anything that appears coherent and humanly understandable is, by default, "designed."
That's a good point. The basis of the case is looking for evidence of God's design in nature, particularly in bioforms.
The whole thing is based on the idea that evolution cannot happen of itself and God needs to do it. This implies that they do accept the evidence for evolution but argue that it cannot happen without God doing it with acts of creation.
For example DNA is impossible without being designed, encoded and constructed by God. Thus while cells might have evolved into precambrian forms and then fish, reptiles, mammals and man evolved, God needed to do the DNA as a start (the 'Abiogenesis is impossible - Life cannot come from non -life' argument).
Thus it would imply that ID'ers are Theistic evolutionists. However, what seems to be argued is that it cannot happen at all and that it never happened and all kinds of creatures were created pretty much as they are now (give or take micro -evolution) and Genesis is pretty much correct.
Either way, they have been able to produce no scientifically valid evidence that ID is demanded by the evidence and natural forces is not an equally valid explanation, if indeed it is not actually supported by the evidence while ID is not.
I was hoping they had something interesting to say, but it seems to be a lot of doublespeak. They are still relying on irreducible complexity which has already been disproved, and they seem to think that Michael Behe is a reputable source.
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I read the whole article and I didn't find any evidence to support their argument.
What do you think?
It's positive argument is one of incredulity.
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Intelligent design is a scientific theory that argues that the best explanation for some natural phenomena is an intelligence cause, especially when we find certain types of information and complexity in nature which in our experience are caused by intelligence.
IOW: As far as we can tell, it's just too dang complex for it to be formed naturally. And yet, no tests.
There is no theory of intelligent design . . . certainly not at the Discovery Institute. It is a fraudulent organization trying to covertly incorporate religious ideas into science curriculum. They were exposed during the Dover trial. Having said that . . . the idea they co-opted for their own use has been a longstanding alternative to the brute fact premise of naturalism. It is therefore . . . likewise a brute fact premise . . .NOT a theory.
The big problem with intelligent design is that they only use the theory for a small story of the bible. Why would an intelligent designer create all the trillions of other galaxies that are useless to us if it was "intelligent." Why would and intelligent designer create dinosaurs and animals millions of years before us. Why would the earth be here billions of year before us? Why would an intelligent designer make all the worlds oceans salt water and undrinkable? There is nothing intelligent about intelligent design. Everything it attempts to explain has already been explained by science.
The big problem with intelligent design is that they only use the theory for a small story of the bible. Why would an intelligent designer create all the trillions of other galaxies that are useless to us if it was "intelligent." Why would and intelligent designer create dinosaurs and animals millions of years before us. Why would the earth be here billions of year before us? Why would an intelligent designer make all the worlds oceans salt water and undrinkable? There is nothing intelligent about intelligent design. Everything it attempts to explain has already been explained by science.
And yet, it makes more sense than the alternative, a "cosmic accident".
And yet, it makes more sense than the alternative, a "cosmic accident".
Accident? Its a numbers game. Lets say there is a 1 in a trillion chance of conditions being right for life, but there are 900 trillion planets. That means there are 900 planets just like earth with life just like ours. Thats like saying you win the lottery because of God because you don't understand how the numbers are drawn. Astrologers have predicted that there are more planets in the universe than grains of sand on the earth. Accidents happen quite frequently with those odds. "Accidents" happen every day in the real world. We don't say that they happened because of a God.
I bird just crapped on my head. What were the odds that could happen at that exact moment in time again. It must have been God!!!
And to answer your question directly, it doesn't make more sense than a comsic accident. Intelligent design makes no sense whatsoever for the reasons I already mentioned. Everything that happens in space is a cosmic accident. An intelligent designer would not have made the ocean saltwater
People who believe in intelligent design have lower IQ's than atheists. Don't flag me, that's a fact.
Accident? Its a numbers game. Lets say there is a 1 in a trillion chance of conditions being right for life, but there are 900 trillion planets. That means there are 900 planets just like earth with life just like ours. Thats like saying you win the lottery because of God because you don't understand how the numbers are drawn. Astrologers have predicted that there are more planets in the universe than grains of sand on the earth. Accidents happen quite frequently with those odds. "Accidents" happen every day in the real world. We don't say that they happened because of a God.
You compare an accident to the lottery. The lottery was designed to have an outcome.
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People who believe in intelligent design have lower IQ's than atheists. Don't flag me, that's a fact.
Ah yes, the personal attack. The last hope of a hopeless argument.
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What is the Theory of Intelligent Design?
