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Once again, I will point out that the sacrifice of Abraham is completely off-topic. If you'd like to join in the conversation at hand, please feel free to do so.
As I've stated, the fact that there are some things, such as the of torturing babies for personal pleasure, that we all agree on to be morally wrong. Unless you can give me an instance where it is considered moral, we must conclude that such a thing is a moral absolute.
You're really drawing the target around the arrow here. I'll just end this to say that at some in human history I'm sure there was somebody who tortured a baby for personal pleasure and had no moral qualms against it. But even if 99.9999999999999% of the people you ask, athiest, baptist, pentecostal, buddhist find it morally repugnant, it doesn't necessarily suggest the existence of God. It's just that societies that didn't torture babies for fun (what a creepy example) out-survived the ones that did.
But since you'll disqualify this by some other non-sequitor, I'll give you a thumbs up to tell your flock you won the debate.
You're really drawing the target around the arrow here. I'll just end this to say that at some in human history I'm sure there was somebody who tortured a baby for personal pleasure and had no moral qualms against it. But even if 99.9999999999999% of the people you ask, athiest, baptist, pentecostal, buddhist find it morally repugnant, it doesn't necessarily suggest the existence of God. It's just that societies that didn't torture babies for fun (what a creepy example) out-survived the ones that did.
But since you'll disqualify this by some other non-sequitor, I'll give you a thumbs up to tell your flock you won the debate.
So we agree that there is such a thing as an absolute morality?
Sounds good.
Now.....how did that form? Why is it that 99.9999999999999999999999999% of people consider it to be wrong? How does secularism account for that?
Why is it that 99.9999999999999999999999999% of people consider it to be wrong? How does secularism account for that?
Why isn't it 100% How does religion account for that?
And while we are at it. Why did some society's accept slavery and others didn't? Why do some have no issues killing babies if they are the wrong gender and others don't? Why do some have no issues with treating some members much worse than others?
I've repeatedly said no, there isn't. And an atheistic worldview cannot account for such moral absolutes.
But, your God ordered Abraham to torture his son. Since, by your own admission, this is an immoral act, ordered by your god, how can you claim that morality comes FROM your god?
BTW, there is NO atheistic worldview. Atheism is a conclusion concerning the lack of evidence of the existence of a god.
But, your God ordered Abraham to torture his son. Since, by your own admission, this is an immoral act, ordered by your god, how can you claim that morality comes FROM your god?
BTW, there is NO atheistic worldview. Atheism is a conclusion concerning the lack of evidence of the existence of a god.
Vizio has repeatedly demonstrated an inability to answer these sorts of questions.
But, your God ordered Abraham to torture his son. Since, by your own admission, this is an immoral act, ordered by your god, how can you claim that morality comes FROM your god?
and once again, you CONTINUE to try to drag this off topic. God did not command Abraham to torture Isaac, for his pleasure or anyone else's. Honestly...it's comical how you fail to actually follow the topic.
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BTW, there is NO atheistic worldview. Atheism is a conclusion concerning the lack of evidence of the existence of a god.
Fine. Call it what you want. Please explain to me why 99.999999999999999999999999999999% of the people in the world consider torturing babies to be morally wrong. How do you account for a sense of morality?
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How about logic? Are you able to think logically? You've shown no desire to do so yet.
Vizio, you're avoiding the question. As you can tell most of the posters agree that it is on topic. You're not in your church now where your word is next to God and you can direct what is on topic and what is not. So are you going to avoid it? Is that the Christian thing to do?
We are going to keep coming back at you on this you know that don't you?
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