Moral argument for the existence of God (Buddhist, Baptist, Christ)
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Once again, I will point out that the sacrifice of Abraham is completely off-topic. If you'd like to join in the conversation at hand, please feel free to do so.
As I've stated, the fact that there are some things, such as the of torturing babies for personal pleasure, that we all agree on to be morally wrong. Unless you can give me an instance where it is considered moral, we must conclude that such a thing is a moral absolute.
In your mind, is there a time when torturing children is moral, for any reason?
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Once again, I will point out that the sacrifice of Abraham is completely off-topic. If you'd like to join in the conversation at hand, please feel free to do so.
Actually it is right on topic. Suggestion is that we get our our moral guidance from some divine entity. That entity in this case the god of the Bible, ordered Abraham to torture his son. What moral lesson is one to get from this story? I know the biblical answer will be that one should trust God. That's not the point I'm getting to.
Isaac would have seen a dread worse than somebody being waterboarded. That is torture.
I've repeatedly said no, there isn't. And an atheistic worldview cannot account for such moral absolutes.
Absurd!
Above I answered your question in the most absolutist manner possible but you have chosen to ignore that statement. The atheist "world view" can and does establish certain moral absolutes. Murder, theft, slavery, oppression, denial of basic freedoms are all moral absolutes easily recognized by atheist.
Of course I wouldn't. That would go against his nature.
If "his nature" is defined by anything other than his particular whims on any given day, then you're telling us there's a moral standard outside of your god that he is bound to. So much for claiming no moral standard outside of god.
Once again, I will point out that the sacrifice of Abraham is completely off-topic.
How is the god-ordered killing of a child off topic in a thread discussing various potential moral rationales for torturing and killing children?
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As I've stated, the fact that there are some things, such as the of torturing babies for personal pleasure, that we all agree on to be morally wrong. Unless you can give me an instance where it is considered moral, we must conclude that such a thing is a moral absolute.
So it was immoral for Abraham to follow god's command to kill his child? Seems like a sticky situation for someone claiming divine command theory here - you've picked an example of a moral absolute which was broken by the very being you claim is the source of those moral absolutes. What to do, what to do?
This is an awesome game. Anything that goes against what you are saying is off topic. I could have been debate team master if only I utilized this strategy.
As much as it leaves the possibility that god exists for me. And as an atheist that isn't very good odds. And you know, not to beat a dead horse, but this in no way proves it came from god.
Glad to see. That proves the existence of God. It is an objective moral standard. All societies declare it to be wrong, and we all gasp in horror at the idea of it. There may be someone that goes against it on occasion--but we all unanimously agree that it is wrong.
How can something be unanimous if people sometimes go against it?
This thread has shown that if god is the source of morality then I'm a one legged parrot. The fact Abraham was going to kill Isaac for god's pleasure rather than his own pleasure doesn't justify the act and the fact that so many people believe it does only shows religion's capability to thwart someone's moral compass into believing it is okay to commit abominable acts simply because an invisible voice tells them to.
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