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Because what we know scientifically about the "concept" is God-level scope, power and control, period! It is undeniable truth for all but the God-o-phobic. Your "No God" label "Nature" is not merely outright denial of its known attributes . . . it definitely elevates the remaining ignorance about it ("We do not know") into a privileged status in defining that ignorance (the default).
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
Only in your mind Mystic, only in your mind.
Are you seriously denying that what we know scientifically about the "concept" is God-level scope, power and control???? What level WOULD be??? I suspect none because of your God-o-phobia . . . NOT science.
You are about as circular as can be. I ask you what "god-like" is and you say "that which is responsible for the universe". I say I don't see a reason to call that which is responsible "god". You say, "God-level scope, power and control". So, now I say, what is "god-level"? And why can't nature be as absolutely amazing in scope as it (nature) obviously is?
No, sanspeur . . . when you say it is not a someone . . . YOU are making a positive claim about what you do not know. That is dishonest. They are the attributes assigned by science . . . not me. I simply accurately characterize them while you simply deny or ignore them.
Correct me if I am wrong, but am I to understand that you actually think someone created and is responsible for all there is?...That is not something that science has ever said, and you should know that, seeing that you claim mensa membership.
You are about as circular as can be. I ask you what "god-like" is and you say "that which is responsible for the universe". I say I don't see a reason to call that which is responsible "god". You say, "God-level scope, power and control". So, now I say, what is "god-level"? And why can't nature be as absolutely amazing in scope as it (nature) obviously is?
You refuse to entertain ANY scope, power and control as God-level because of your God-o-phobia. You refuse to objectively analyze the attributes relative to our puny existence and acknowledge what is obvious to most of the world. You despise the fact that people personalized this concept of God with absurd beliefs and practices and they exploited you as a consequence. It is normal to be upset with that . . . but it has nothing to do with whether or not God exists based purely on the attributes we KNOW about scientifically.
Last edited by MysticPhD; 09-21-2013 at 09:21 PM..
What the hell is God-o-phobia? Another of your invented words? Well it does not apply to atheists, as why would we fear something we do not believe exists?
Originally Posted by MysticPhD
No, sanspeur . . . when you say it is not a someone . . . YOU are making a positive claim about what you do not know. That is dishonest. They are the attributes assigned by science . . . not me. I simply accurately characterize them while you simply deny or ignore them.
Correct me if I am wrong, but am I to understand that you actually think someone created and is responsible for all there is?...That is not something that science has ever said, and you should know that, seeing that you claim mensa membership.
To be precise . . . you added the "created" not me, sanspeur. BUT . . . since consciousness exists and is a part of what we know about the "concept". . . the use of "someone" is not disconfirmed by anything known to science. IOW . . . you have no basis in science for your rejection of it . . . that is all I am saying.
You refuse to entertain ANY scope, power and control as God-level because of your God-o-phobia. You refuse to objectively analyze the attributes against relative to our puny existence and acknowledge what is obvious to most of the world.
How the heck can I say whether something is or is not "god-like" or "god-level" when you absolutely, intransigently refuse to say what the heck you mean by "god-like" or "god-level"? This is all on YOU, and You alone. Don't even think to blame us for any of it. It is not our fault you can't or won't define your terms. And it is not as if they are meaningless to you, because you seem to be working from some implicit assumptions that you won't articulate.
Are you seriously denying that what we know scientifically about the "concept" is God-level scope, power and control???? What level WOULD be??? I suspect none because of your God-o-phobia . . . NOT science.
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Originally Posted by sanspeur
What the hell is God-o-phobia? Another of your invented words? Well it does not apply to atheists, as why would we fear something we do not believe exists?
God-o-phobia is what keeps you from honestly and objectively answering my questions . . . as in the above! It is a fear of acknowledging that a God exists based entirely on known scientific attributes because of the religi-o-phobia that drove you into atheism.
How the heck can I say whether something is or is not "god-like" or "god-level" when you absolutely, intransigently refuse to say what the heck you mean by "god-like" or "god-level"? This is all on YOU, and You alone. Don't even think to blame us for any of it. It is not our fault you can't or won't define your terms. And it is not as if they are meaningless to you, because you seem to be working from some implicit assumptions that you won't articulate.
Come on, Hueff you are being really tedious and tiresome. You know exactly what I mean. God has the ubiquity, scope, power and control over us and all reality that we have ascertained exists through our science.
Come on, Hueff you are being really tedious and tiresome. You know exactly what I mean. God has the ubiquity, scope, power and control over us and all reality that we have ascertained exists through our science.
No we haven't. Science has not ascertained something god supposedly has. Science has ascertained some awesome attributes nature has; there is no reason to call it god.
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