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Old 09-17-2013, 03:30 PM
 
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I believe we already have. The biochemicals have been found in quantity in gas clouds out in space.
Where did they come from?
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Yep. The evidence is there.
And the evidence for creation is there.
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Glad you don't mind. Lots of people seem to, otherwise I don't know why they keep trying to dismiss the evidence FOR evolution. I'm not asking for anything about God except that his pawprints are there in bioforms. the argument for design do not work. The evidence is for common biological origin.



But you are not giving any evidence. That is the whole problem. All you are doing is dismissing the evidence FOR evolution on the grounds that it isn't happening fast enough to convince you.
The evidence I'm giving is the universe itself.
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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I understand what you're saying. But I want to point out that we have at LEAST as much evidence for the existence of God as we do evolution.
Just... No.
You have no empirical evidence for God, if I am mistaken please point me to it.

Speciation via evolution - we have the fossil record, we have DNA, we have mathematical confirmation of the basic model via genetic algorithms, we have observed speciation in the lab, we have ongoing studies monitoring what appears to be speciation in the wild.

Abiogenisis - we have several hypothesis, we have tested the feasibility of some mechanisms, but still do not have a definitive theory. At the core is, we don't know, but we have some ideas.

Cosmology - we have solid evidence for the age of the universe, and its expansion from CMBR. We have good models for the formation of planets and can observe this. Our current physics does a good job modelling what we can observe today.

Cosmic Origens - We have evidence that leads us to the idea of a singularity, and an inflationary expansion immediately after time t=0. Before that we don't know.

Significantly more evidence than Genesis 1...


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We believe that God created the universe. You're the one arguing that life evolved....but you're ignoring the basic question of how the universe got here.
We are not ignoring, we just don't know. In the absence of evidence, that is the correct answer...

-NoCapo
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Old 09-17-2013, 03:47 PM
 
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Just... No.
You have no empirical evidence for God, if I am mistaken please point me to it.
The existence of the universe, common design, etc.
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Speciation via evolution - we have the fossil record, we have DNA, we have mathematical confirmation of the basic model via genetic algorithms, we have observed speciation in the lab, we have ongoing studies monitoring what appears to be speciation in the wild.
Those same things could easily point to a common creator.
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Abiogenisis - we have several hypothesis, we have tested the feasibility of some mechanisms, but still do not have a definitive theory. At the core is, we don't know, but we have some ideas.
So do it. Make it happen. If it's just a case of combining the right chemicals....do it.
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Cosmology - we have solid evidence for the age of the universe, and its expansion from CMBR. We have good models for the formation of planets and can observe this. Our current physics does a good job modelling what we can observe today.
OK?
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Cosmic Origens - We have evidence that leads us to the idea of a singularity, and an inflationary expansion immediately after time t=0. Before that we don't know.
And prior to that singularity? What caused that singularity?
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Significantly more evidence than Genesis 1...
Genesis 1 was never intended as a scientific text. I know you've heard that before, but think about that. It's intention is not to describe specifically how God did it -- it only says he did.
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We are not ignoring, we just don't know. In the absence of evidence, that is the correct answer...

-NoCapo
But you are saying that you KNOW that God doesn't exist. You don't know what...but you claim to KNOW that there couldn't be a Creator.
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Old 09-17-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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Those same things could easily point to a common creator.
Only if your creator operated on an evolutionary timescale, using mutaion and natural selection... Did he?

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Genesis 1 was never intended as a scientific text. I know you've heard that before, but think about that. It's intention is not to describe specifically how God did it -- it only says he did.
So you have no testable hypothesis, no model to validate or falsify, only observation... Sounds like the idea of a creator, from a scientific point of view hasn't even gotten off the ground, and you have the temerity to criticize a working theory, that while not complete, makes repeatable testable predictions.

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But you are saying that you KNOW that God doesn't exist. You don't know what...but you claim to KNOW that there couldn't be a Creator.
Full stop! Don't lie Viz, God doesn't like that, remember? I have never stated that I know a god does not exist, only that I have not seen any credible evidence for the proposition. I fully believe that a god is possible, just not in evidence.

-NoCapo
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Old 09-17-2013, 05:44 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Only if your creator operated on an evolutionary timescale, using mutaion and natural selection... Did he?


So you have no testable hypothesis, no model to validate or falsify, only observation... Sounds like the idea of a creator, from a scientific point of view hasn't even gotten off the ground, and you have the temerity to criticize a working theory, that while not complete, makes repeatable testable predictions.



Full stop! Don't lie Viz, God doesn't like that, remember? I have never stated that I know a god does not exist, only that I have not seen any credible evidence for the proposition. I fully believe that a god is possible, just not in evidence.

-NoCapo
Well done.
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Old 09-17-2013, 06:05 PM
 
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Let me know when you have made a dog out of amino acids.
If your god will let you and I live for a few billion years can see what I can come up with.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:42 PM
 
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You think that these cars and building just came to be by chance? Your post supports the idea of a designer. Why is the analogy false?

Get Your Own Dirt!
Because buildings don't replicate themselves. If they did, hen they could make small errors each time a new building is made, and some of those errors might be advantageous, leading to increased reproductive success for buildings with them, and voila! They're evolving.

But to compare something that replicates with something that doesn't is a false analogy. Reproduction is key to evolution.
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:43 PM
 
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And prior to that singularity? What caused that singularity?
What created your creator? Hmm?
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Old 09-17-2013, 07:58 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Because buildings don't replicate themselves. If they did, hen they could make small errors each time a new building is made, and some of those errors might be advantageous, leading to increased reproductive success for buildings with them, and voila! They're evolving.

But to compare something that replicates with something that doesn't is a false analogy. Reproduction is key to evolution.
I'll be polite. Your post makes no sense. It sounds like something you pulled out of a hat without much thought. Buildings exist. They were designed. OK. And???

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What created your creator? Hmm?
Yawn...If I have to answer that you have not been paying attention. But since I suspect that is the case: Bible 101. God is without beginning or end. Look it up... Psalm 103:17. From everlasting to everlasting.

Have a glass of wine and a good evening!
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Old 09-17-2013, 08:04 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I'll be polite. Your post makes no sense. It sounds like something you pulled out of a hat without much thought. Buildings exist. They were designed. OK. And???
She doesn't make sense? Unlike you she certainly does make sense...You are comparing a inanimate building with life and you think that makes some kind of sense?
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