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View Poll Results: Is being celibate until marriage still important to you?
Yes 9 22.50%
No 31 77.50%
Voters: 40. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 10-01-2013, 12:06 AM
 
Location: Taos NM
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That sounds like something out of the Catholic Catechism, BIMBAM.

It mostly sounds like flowery nonsense to me. Like people tripping off of acid and talking about how "beautiful" acid tripping is.

Sex itself is just base, often with less than pleasant odors, and other peoples disgusting body fluids. If anything its like crawling through a sewer to get a paycheck. That paycheck might make you smile. Some out of shape woman treating her yeast infection, and her dark, stank, feces has-been-covered anus that is visible during missionary sex, with vaginal fluid dripping down it is not beautiful. Not to me. No more than the torn apart remains of the fetus she aborts after her "beautiful" sex unites her and her boyfriend in an "expression of love."

Sex is somethings rats do. And I assume cockroaches do it too.

I do my share of porn watching. Sex has the attraction of contradicting the Catholic Catechism which teaches equality in sex rather than domination should be a prevailing principle, and that due to the fallen nature of man domination/submission tends to be the prevailing principle in sex between people. And "banging" a woman hard is the goal of just about most people in sex. Most women like to be dominated in sex in some form and most men like to do the domination. Most. But it goes the other way too. And then there is the play of "switching" roles too.

Gay and lesbian porn typically has the domination/submission theme too. Actually, especially with lesbians, most their real life relationships model the one person is the "man" and the other person is the "woman" role. And it's centered in domination/submission as physically neither one of the women is a man, but simply one performs the masculine role.

This song expresses 99% or maybe 99.99% of sex in Black-American Hip Hop culture. Niki Minaj one of the celebrity morality Popes of our times raps on the cut I think. Pretty good jam. You can listen to it on youtube:


Rich Gang - Tapout.
Well that's one way to look at it. Some people look at living like that and then get really depressed too. It's your choice.
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Old 10-02-2013, 10:23 PM
 
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Is being celibate until marriage important to you? I am aware most people would would not consider that important, even for many people that consider themselves as Christians.
To each his own. But don't speak for "Christians" when your not one. I speak for myself as a Christian that it's very important. I'm still a virgin at age 20. I would say 97% of my friends have already lost theirs since middle school. This was my choice and I am 100% glad I made it. I'm staying celibate until I get married and there are plenty of Christians just like me that feel the same. Stop getting your research in a place that obviously doesn't have many young evangelical Christians like the C-D general religious forums. Try asking at the Christian forums or Grace Centered and you'd get very different results.
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Old 10-03-2013, 06:14 AM
 
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Makes June question, or at the very least ponder, the myriad of ways in which a couple "consummate" their love of one another prior to the eventual moment of saying "I do". Acts of intimacy can take on a myriad of forms....

June's not religious, but would she, did she, had she remained celibate prior to having been married? No. She never felt that either a document or religious ceremony that officially documented her love for the other was at the heart of the true essence that lent permission to an act of expression of genuine love that emanated from the soul. It's presence was already there.

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Old 10-03-2013, 08:44 AM
 
Location: Northeastern US
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To each his own. But don't speak for "Christians" when your not one. I speak for myself as a Christian that it's very important. I'm still a virgin at age 20. I would say 97% of my friends have already lost theirs since middle school. This was my choice and I am 100% glad I made it. I'm staying celibate until I get married and there are plenty of Christians just like me that feel the same. Stop getting your research in a place that obviously doesn't have many young evangelical Christians like the C-D general religious forums. Try asking at the Christian forums or Grace Centered and you'd get very different results.
I think it's fine that you've chosen celibacy for yourself. My 20 year old stepdaughter has too, and she's an unbeliever. Her reasons have more to do with being too busy with school and an understanding that she can afford to be very picky in her relationships. Her mother and I want her to have positive and safe sexual experiences when she has them, although we don't care whether it's in or out of marriage per se.

So my first point is that you shouldn't assume that abstinence is a strictly religious impulse and thus not an indicator of purity or holiness in the religious sense.

My second point is that it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that the percentage of avowedly celibate young people will be higher in intellectual ghettoes where this is encouraged, but the only thing that matters on a general societal level is the percentage of celibacy AT that level. If 100% of, say, conservative Baptist youth are celibate, it's probably still 0.3% of youth nationally so ... whatever. So I think the OP is smart to ask this question in a more general forum if the desire is to get a sense of significant societal influence. One can argue that a religion & spirituality forum is even going to be a source of selection bias. Maybe the Philosophy forum would have been even more indicative of (if you'll forgive me a pun) societal penetration on this issue.

Having said all that I suspect that "celibate" is another religiously loaded word that's best not used, perhaps "sexually abstinate by choice" would be the best and most accurate label. If you use that I suspect you'd get more areligious folk identifying with that label, as there are a lot of perfectly good reasons to be abstinate apart from religious ones.
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Old 10-03-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Sitting beside Walden Pond
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Neither my wife and I were virgins when we married. Both of our kids lived with their future spouses.

Our marriages have lasted 42, 15, and 7 years and are still going strong.

By the way, our son lived with a very nice young lasy who we both liked. After a few months, he realized it was not working and moved out. Whew!! That was a close all!
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Old 10-04-2013, 02:01 AM
 
Location: Montreal, Quebec
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To each his own. But don't speak for "Christians" when your not one. I speak for myself as a Christian that it's very important. I'm still a virgin at age 20. I would say 97% of my friends have already lost theirs since middle school. This was my choice and I am 100% glad I made it. I'm staying celibate until I get married and there are plenty of Christians just like me that feel the same. Stop getting your research in a place that obviously doesn't have many young evangelical Christians like the C-D general religious forums. Try asking at the Christian forums or Grace Centered and you'd get very different results.
....and if you never get married? Are you OK with dying a virgin?
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Old 10-04-2013, 03:35 AM
 
Location: Richland, Washington
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Old 10-04-2013, 04:58 AM
 
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To each his own. But don't speak for "Christians" when your not one. I speak for myself as a Christian that it's very important. I'm still a virgin at age 20. I would say 97% of my friends have already lost theirs since middle school. This was my choice and I am 100% glad I made it. I'm staying celibate until I get married and there are plenty of Christians just like me that feel the same. Stop getting your research in a place that obviously doesn't have many young evangelical Christians like the C-D general religious forums. Try asking at the Christian forums or Grace Centered and you'd get very different results.
I am a Christian yet it was a poll for anyone regardless if they were Christian or not.
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