Anyone see Bill O'Riley on 60 Min, authored "Killing Jesus"? (hell, Holy Spirit)
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First, as background, he is a devout Catholic and feels the Holy Spirit inspred him writing
this book.
The reason I'm posting is bec he is not the first one that has said, "Jesus never
said, Abba Abba, why have You forsaken me?"
I mean haven't you thought how could God have abandoned him?
It never computed to me.
Mr. O'Riley doesn't care what was added to the Bible....he is very clear....the
Romans wanted Jesus to die fast bec of the crowd...they did not give him the usual
"butt rest"...as you may know ...you die of suffication.
As I have heard before...no one would have been close enough to ever
hear him....even if he could have whispered it...which that alone is doubtful...
because of the horrible crush of his lungs, etc.
Comments. What do ya think of Bill, that's ok, too.
I believe that he did say it, in that moment he felt the experience of what it feels like to be man separated from God in his thinking. The reality is we are not separated.
The scripture says he tasted death for every man. There is no greater death in my opinion than the feeling that comes from the assumption of being separated from God.
From what I've seen of O'Riley (99% clips-of, or interviews-with, on The Daily Show or Letterman) he seems someone who is nearly as clever as he thinks he is - but not quite. He has blind spots, as do many of us - but unlike most of us, he gets to advertise his to a wide audience.
He would not be among the first people I would turn to in the news media, if I really wanted to know and understand what was going on.
I believe that he did say it, in that moment he felt the experience of what it feels like to be man separated from God in his thinking. The reality is we are not separated.
The scripture says he tasted death for every man. There is no greater death in my opinion than the feeling that comes from the assumption of being separated from God.
I have heard many level headed teachers teach on this.They believe it, also.
It's a pretty new concept to change.
I'm still pretty simple....my Father, Jesus' Father never abandoned him ever, or me.
BUT, that is just me....really, you and others can believe whatever...it doesn't change our love
for God.
It's just a detail, I suppose.
Separation from "What Dreams May Come".... is more likely!
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Originally Posted by pcamps
There is no greater death in my opinion than the feeling that comes from the assumption of being separated from God.
Wow! Well, good for you. For me, however, since I finally dropped God from my life at about age 25, I've never felt more free, more capable of entertaining my own thoughts without guilt or class separation, and never more capable of handling anything that comes along!
And why?? Because I am not under any mandate nor threat of HELL!!!! (<gasp!>). But if you must, have that in your life, pcamps, you go ahead and enjoy such strictured "guidance", which places you in that large and less-well-educated social cohort of spiritually dependent people.
PS: I'm in that other well-identified genetic species camp of "The UnDependent!"
I have heard many level headed teachers teach on this.They believe it, also.
It's a pretty new concept to change.
I'm still pretty simple....my Father, Jesus' Father never abandoned him ever, or me.
BUT, that is just me....really, you and others can believe whatever...it doesn't change our love
for God.
It's just a detail, I suppose.
I don't believe the Father abandoned him, what I do believe is Jesus felt the feeling we have of being abandoned. The truth is we are not separated from God, we just believe we are.
Wow! Well, good for you. For me, however, since I finally dropped God from my life at about age 25, I've never felt more free, more capable of entertaining my own thoughts without guilt or class separation, and never more capable of handling anything that comes along!
And why?? Because I am not under any mandate nor threat of HELL!!!! (<gasp!>). But if you must, have that in your life, pcamps, you go ahead and enjoy such strictured "guidance", which places you in that large and less-well-educated social cohort of spiritually dependent people.
PS: I'm in that other well-identified genetic species camp of "The UnDependent!"
And good for you too Rifleman. ps there is no eternal hell, that was created by men who believe in separation from God.
First, as background, he is a devout Catholic and feels the Holy Spirit inspred him writing this book.
The reason I'm posting is bec he is not the first one that has said, "Jesus never
said, Abba Abba, why have You forsaken me?"
I mean haven't you thought how could God have abandoned him?
It never computed to me.
Mr. O'Riley doesn't care what was added to the Bible....he is very clear....the
Romans wanted Jesus to die fast bec of the crowd...they did not give him the usual
"butt rest"...as you may know ...you die of suffication.
As I have heard before...no one would have been close enough to ever
hear him....even if he could have whispered it...which that alone is doubtful...
because of the horrible crush of his lungs, etc.
Comments. What do ya think of Bill, that's ok, too.
Either that, or he knows the shtick that sells.
Something tells me that with Bill 'The Falafel King' O'Reilly, it's royalties and not piety behind pretty much everything he claims about this book he supposedly wrote.
I don't believe the Father abandoned him, what I do believe is Jesus felt the feeling we have of being abandoned. The truth is we are not separated from God, we just believe we are.
Ah, I see.
Btw, between you,me and the bedpost....when I was a devout Catholic teen saying my Rosary
each night...one night I had a dream...I woke myself up from the dream because in it
I became aware of the "feeling", the shocking realization of being...completely and
totally abandoned or cast away somehow from the Presence of God.
It was a very dark weird place...much like in 'What Dreams May Come'.
The profound depth of that empty, desolate horror was terrorizing for me as a young person.
As you can see it was very real, still.
Why I had it , I dunno, bec I will never leave my Father or lose a drop of faith in Him.
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Separation from "What Dreams May Come".... is more likely!
ps there is no eternal hell, that was created by men who believe in separation from God.
