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Old 10-01-2013, 07:43 AM
 
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To me, the question is both moot and a bit irrelevant. If Christ was married or not married, does it really affect His ministry one whit?

Not that simple.

If Jesus was married it is reasonable to believe he had children. This presents an interesting theological issue. There may be people in the planet that are descendants of Jesus.
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Old 10-01-2013, 07:57 AM
 
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Not that simple.

If Jesus was married it is reasonable to believe he had children. This presents an interesting theological issue. There may be people in the planet that are descendants of Jesus.
Well, yes. But the bloodline would be incredibly diluted, given that roughly 80 generations have passed since Christ's death and resurrection. Jesus's bloodline was actually a old theory, namely that he had children by Mary Magdalene who then when on to become the Merigovinian line of France, the basis of pieces of hack fiction such as the DeVinci Code.

It's less of an interesting theological issue for non-Catholics, chiefly because the Protestant, Anglican, and Orthodox branches of the Christian tree do not have an issue with a married clergy. Mention the possibility that Christ was married to most people from those traditions and it would be met with a shrug of the shoulders.
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Old 10-01-2013, 08:14 AM
 
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Well, yes. But the bloodline would be incredibly diluted, given that roughly 80 generations have passed since Christ's death and resurrection. Jesus's bloodline was actually a old theory, namely that he had children by Mary Magdalene who then when on to become the Merigovinian line of France, the basis of pieces of hack fiction such as the DeVinci Code.

It's less of an interesting theological issue for non-Catholics, chiefly because the Protestant, Anglican, and Orthodox branches of the Christian tree do not have an issue with a married clergy. Mention the possibility that Christ was married to most people from those traditions and it would be met with a shrug of the shoulders.
I agree, what may be an important tradition for some people may be something of no important to others. We see this issue on the forum every day. Furthermore, that is why Iran and the US cannot get along.

Nevertheless, if Jesus was truly divine (something that was not entirely clear in some segments of early Christianity) then there are people in the planet with divine DNA. Sure, it is diluted and if we go back several generations we all belong to the same family. And if we go further back we are ALL Africans.

Nevertheless, it presents a theological issue. The Bible makes a point in describing the blood line of Jesus.
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Old 10-01-2013, 09:18 AM
 
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Yes. He advised against marriage for those who would devote themselves to God. That would obviously include himself.
I see you gave a quote, but where did this come from ..Ch and verse.
Thanx

Must comment I saw a sentence on page 1....We know from the Catholic Church...
I didn't read anymore, sorry.

Scholars have researched this to no end...some say the wedding he did his first miracle
at was his own...I guess it was customary for the groom to be in charge of the wine...
using that as one clue.

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Old 10-02-2013, 01:38 AM
 
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Nevertheless, if Jesus was truly divine (something that was not entirely clear in some segments of early Christianity) then there are people in the planet with divine DNA.
His earthly body was purely human and his DNA was from Mary. His Spirit is divine.
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:00 AM
 
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His earthly body was purely human and his DNA was from Mary. His Spirit is divine.
That is not how DNA works. Granted we now have the ability to create clones thanks to science but the jesus myth is not based on science at all.

The only reason why the virgin birth gained so much traction is that the woman's contribution to reproduction namely the ovum was only discovered in the 19th century by Dr Karl Ernst von Baer. Prior to that in in other religions and cultures, the seed of man was thought to be THE main ingredient and women were mere vessels to facilitate this. The reason is obvious as only the ejaculate of man is visible to the naked eye, the ovum (or egg) is not.

Since the discovery of DNA, theists have been all over the map trying to claim ownership of this for their imaginary deity. Islam claims the semen originated in the lower spine and that was probably due to where the orgasm is experienced. All of it was wrong.

There were no demi-gods nor man gods. It takes a male and female contribution for reproduction. Whenever you refuse to acknowledge this, you are appealing to magic and of course no one can argue with magic b/c it is not real.
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Old 10-02-2013, 02:34 AM
 
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The NT does not mention the marital status of Jesus. We assume he was single and probably chaste. Is the absence of information enough to conclude Jesus never married?
It is certainly difficult to say. Given the paltry evidence that such a man ever existed.... ascertaining specific aspects of his life is at best guess work.

However if one stick to merely the text of the Bible... and one reads that text with a knowledge of Greek history and Literature for example.... as well as some of the traditions at the time.... then there are certainly implications of a more than platonic relationship between himself and "john".

Even in Mark 14:51-52 Jesus appeared to have a penchant for finding himself in the company of men in states of undress.

Not that homo- or bi- sexual individuals do not marry but it is certainly less common so one could suggest it as evidence that it was unlikely this character ever married.

However as I said with such doubts even being cast on the existence of the man at all.... much of the actual specifics of his life such as you seek will probably be forever the realm of hearsay and imagination.

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His earthly body was purely human and his DNA was from Mary. His Spirit is divine.
If his DNA was solely from Mary then Jesus would have in fact been female. XX is female and XY is male. There is no combination of X and X which would result in a male off spring.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:36 AM
 
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No one knows for sure. It wasn’t a main concern for the Bible writers to record His personal relationship. It won’t make any difference to us Christians anyway. However, the closest female contact He had in his adulthood, according to the scriptures, was either Mary Magdalene, the possible adulterer Jesus had saved and taken in, or Mary of Bethany, the woman who anointed Jesus’s feet and head at dinner. They could be the same person as some Bible scholars might suggest. This Mary along with Martha and Lazarus had provided for Jesus and His disciples out of their own means. Together they had devoted themselves as some sort of servant mates to Jesus. Mary is also the sister of Martha BTW. Unfortunately there was no concrete description clarifying the relationship between Jesus and Mary. He was most likely be single IMO as He knew absolutely everything that had to come to pass. Marriage in a traditional sense was probably the last thing on His mind.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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The NT does not mention the marital status of Jesus. We assume he was single and probably chaste. Is the absence of information enough to conclude Jesus never married?
There is absolutely no indication that he was married. I don't see how it would hurt anything to hear that he was...but the text just doesn't indicate he was. He gave his mother to John at the cross to watch over her...no mention of his wife. I can't see how we could read into it that he was married.
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Old 10-05-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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The NT does not mention the marital status of Jesus. We assume he was single and probably chaste. Is the absence of information enough to conclude Jesus never married?
I don't think there's enough evidence either way to come to an even remotely definite conclusion. You could argue either position with the little bit of evidence we do have. Furthermore, I don't think it really matters.
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