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Growing up I was taught that in some way every person born shares in Adam's guilt for committing Original Sin.
Is that true?
Is that just?
Do all Christians believe this?
I guess one would have to ask, "what is sin"?
In the Gospel of Mary, the Christ is asked what is the nature of sin, the Christ responded, "there is no sin, only that in which you call sin, such as adultery ..........." So the nature of sin becomes a moral delima, seeings how sin is a concept brought forth from the Abrahamic belief system, then it belong to those who follow this system of thought.
For myself, I don't buy into this concept, nor do I buy into the idea that the Christ came into this world to atone for mankinds "sins". For myself, I see the Christ as pointing to the direction in which mankind can become more aware of itself in the aspect of spirituality, however, most stop looking in the direction and only focus one who's doing the pointing.
Growing up I was taught that in some way every person born shares in Adam's guilt for committing Original Sin.
Is that true?
Is that just?
Do all Christians believe this?
No, no, to some degree.
OS is just another man made invention of socio-political control. The OT is as clear as mud as it is inferred that descendants are responsible for the sins of their father and elsewhere it infers that they are not.
Sins of the father
Exodus 34:7 - Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear [the guilty]; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth [generation]
No Sins of the Father
20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.
How anyone can take the bible as something of authority when there are clearly two conflicting doctrines beats me.
The aspect of generational curses is taught in pentecostal and charismatic circles, I know as the folk prayed for me to break these imaginary chains. All this twaddle merely works off the presupposition of the original sin of man and is perpetuated in the NT to make women less than worthy as Eve sinned first. The deluded folk will go to great lengths to support this doctrine of OS as the say, misery seeks company.
All people are born agnostic. You have to be taught to be a Richard.
The whole point is that we are all born sinners - meaning no one here on earth is a "perfect" person.
No one is saying that newborn babies have committed any sin
RESPONSE:
Not committed. Share the guilt of Adam's sin.
How do you interpret the phrase "in whom" as in
Romans 5:12 Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned. [Old Latin Bible]
Of course NOT! What a preposterous idea. An infant is not guilty of ANY sin, period.
RESPONSE:
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, [Exodus 20:5 ESV]
Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. [Isaiah 14:21 NAB]
"Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, "Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. [Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT]
This is what the Lord of hosts has to say: 'I will punish what Amalek did to Israel when he barred his way as he was coming up from Egypt. Go, now, attack Amalek, and deal with him and all that he has under the ban. Do not spare him, but kill men and women, children and infants, oxen and sheep, camels and asses.' [1 Samuel 15:2-3 NAB]
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Of course NOT! What a preposterous idea. An infant is not guilty of ANY sin, period.
Romans 5:12 Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world, and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned. [Old Latin Bible]
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, [Exodus 20:5 ESV]
In the Gospel of Mary, the Christ is asked what is the nature of sin, the Christ responded, "there is no sin, only that in which you call sin, such as adultery ..........." So the nature of sin becomes a moral delima, seeings how sin is a concept brought forth from the Abrahamic belief system, then it belong to those who follow this system of thought.
For myself, I don't buy into this concept, nor do I buy into the idea that the Christ came into this world to atone for mankinds "sins". For myself, I see the Christ as pointing to the direction in which mankind can become more aware of itself in the aspect of spirituality, however, most stop looking in the direction and only focus one who's doing the pointing.
Wow, where did you come from...another example of how
there is hope for human evolvement...yet another person
shedding the antiquated beliefs of centuries embedded in
Man's consciousness regarding this word "sin".
Thank you!
It's like there are so many more little Joanathan Livingston Seagulls
flying above the crowd still searching, heads down, for scraps on the beach.
Yay!
Romans 5:12 Wherefore as by one man sin entered into this world,
and by sin death; and so death passed upon all men, in whom all have sinned. [Old Latin Bible]
You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the
iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, [Exodus 20:5 ESV]
Etc., etc.
My rhetorical question to those that believe all these verses is...
Said like Rosanna Roseanna Dana or Elaine Benis to George.... "Have ya ever experienced God?"
Disobedience is sin. Excluding God's govern is sin.
The only way not to sin is to be in God's govern obeying Him. Jesus provided that via the Holy spirit to those that Love God.
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Are infants really guilty of Adam's Original Sin?
