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Yes, I fully believe this should only apply to sellers. 100%. The main reason being it would be almost impossible to prove why someone buys from a particular vendor. It would be very easy to to figure out if say a restaurant didn't serve black people.
Yes, I fully believe this should only apply to sellers. 100%. The main reason being it would be almost impossible to prove why someone buys from a particular vendor. It would be very easy to to figure out if say a restaurant didn't serve black people.
Then you are for discrimination...of buyers over sellers. Just what you said you didn't think was cool.
And your contention is not true...it isn't impossible.
Like the guy Ali from the Halal located in the town with a large Hasidic Jew population couldn't complain that he never has any of those guys with black hats and curled hair come in to the store.
Mr. Goldberg complains that none of those women in headscarves come in and buy from him.
Or Jerome that owns the Gangsta Hip-Hop Club complains that all those old, white, blue-haired women and their suited, elderly men don't come to his place to imbibe, but he sees them at the Martini Lounge night after night. Visa-versa with the guy that owns the Martini Lounge protesting the black dudes with the pants sagging low and their caps turned backwards don't spend their cash on the Henny he has on the shelf at his bar.
Private citizens shouldn't have to buy from people they don't want to buy from...for whatever reason. They can find someone else to sell to.
Private businesses shouldn't have to sell to people they don't want to sell to...for whatever reason. They can find someone else to buy from.
That's what freedom is all about.
Then you are for discrimination...of buyers over sellers. Just what you said you didn't think was cool.
And your contention is not true...it isn't impossible.
Like the guy Ali from the Halal located in the town with a large Hasidic Jew population couldn't complain that he never has any of those guys with black hats and curled hair come in to the store.
Mr. Goldberg complains that none of those women in headscarves come in and buy from him.
Or Jerome that owns the Gangsta Hip-Hop Club complains that all those old, white, blue-haired women and their suited, elderly men don't come to his place to imbibe, but he sees them at the Martini Lounge night after night. Visa-versa with the guy that owns the Martini Lounge protesting the black dudes with the pants sagging low and their caps turned backwards don't spend their cash on the Henny he has on the shelf at his bar.
Private citizens shouldn't have to buy from people they don't want to buy from...for whatever reason. They can find someone else to sell to.
Private businesses shouldn't have to sell to people they don't want to sell to...for whatever reason. They can find someone else to buy from.
That's what freedom is all about.
Interesting.
But it seems there are different rules for sellers and buyers.
The beauty of our country is that private business owners have the rights to refuse service to anyone or any entity they please.
False.
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What's not right is the government trying to change our constitutional laws and define what private business owners can or can't do with their own freakin business.
Self-deception.
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Refusing services to gays is not discrimination if it goes against the owners religious beliefs.
False.
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I don't see ignorant liberals and the government going after muslim-ran businesses.
Which ones are refusing to serve non-Muslims what they offer to Muslims?
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Because their hypocrites and I'm sick and tired of it.
Circular reasoning.
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But it seems there are different rules for sellers and buyers.
Neither is a seller in a private business.
Think the comparison between a public school and a private school...and the difference in what the government can dictate they are allowed to include in their curriculum.
To fairly provide both sides of the equation with "equal protection": If the buyer can freely choose (discriminate) as to which private businesses they will pay to accommodate them, and cannot be legally compelled to pay for the accommodation of businesses they find reason (whatever the reason) not to...then the private business owner should be able to freely choose (discriminate) which members of the public they will accept payment from for said accommodation, and not be legally compelled to accommodate those they find reason (whatever the reason) not to.
Anything other than that would not be "equal" or "fair".
Anything other than that would not be "equal" or "fair".
It is irrational to label as unfair anything that doesn't meet with your own personal approval, even though your own personal preferences in that regard are contrary to society's definitions and standards.
However, in terms of a public business that operates on any type of government subsidy or government benefits (ie: Loans, tax breaks, grants, etc) of any type, that is a different game and should come under full jurisdiction of the State and be open to all people.
Hopefully this includes businesses which use public roads, allows payment with US currency, or expect fire and police protection, since those are taxpayer-subsidized government provided services that all businesses use.
It is irrational to label as unfair anything that doesn't meet with your own personal approval, even though your own personal preferences in that regard are contrary to society's definitions and standards.
It is YOU that are ignorant...of what I am or am not ignorant of. And, I'm not sorry about that.
I wasn't addressing the law from the standpoint of the "legal definition and standard"...I was addressing it from the standpoint of "fairness" and "equity", and its hypocrisy.
That's why I gave the "Public vs Private School" comparison. You can't promote religion in a public school...but you can in a private one.
Let me ask you--Is it "irrational" for me "to label as unfair" the execution of a girl in an "honor killing" if it is in a country where it is within the law and isn't "contrary to society's definitions and standards"?
I mean, after all, it merely "doesn't meet with my own personal approval in that regard"...so it must be "fair", right?...and I'd be "irrational" to say it isn't.
So...it appears your argument is that a "society's definitions and standards" are the proper/ultimate determinant of what is right and fair...and no matter what the law says, it is "irrational to label it as unfair". I submit: THAT is what's "nonsense".
What was your opinion of those that said slavery was "unfair" back when it was part of this society's "standard"? Were they being "irrational" if they determined that "unfairness" based only upon their lack of "personal approval" and "personal preference in that regard"...considering that was "contrary to society's definitions and standards" at that time?
A ridiculously silly thing to say after I posted evidence of your ignorance on this matter.
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I wasn't addressing the law from the standpoint of the "legal definition and standard"...
Actually you were, since you were replying to the message I posted where the context was clearly specified.
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I was addressing it from the standpoint of "fairness" and "equity", and its hypocrisy.
Equality isn't fairness. So assuming that seller and buyer are regarded in the same way is not fairness.
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So...it appears your argument is that a "society's definitions and standards" are the proper/ultimate determinant of what is right and fair
In this case they are. Your argument is that your personal preferences are superior to society's determination. We'll have to agree to disagree about that.
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