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The scientific method doesn't prove God's nonexistence. Rather it proves evolution to be false. Evolution has never been repeated, tested, or observed in nature. Several key components of the scientific method if I remember correctly.
This is true . . . if proof were the actual issue that separates believers and unbelievers. It really isn't. It is the idea that unbelievers repeatedly claim there is "not one shred . . . or reason to believe on offer" . . . which misses the point clarified in the post cited in the link above.
As near as I can tell, your basic argument is that god claims (yours, at least) are not provable currently but are consistent with science and potentially provable (or falsifiable, if you will) in the future. You also have a huge problem with the "no shred of evidence" claim of some unbelievers.
I wouldn't put it in such strong terms as "no shred", personally, because I see a small shred or two of very weak circumstantial evidence for the possible existence of some of your claims about consciousness, even though it's not enough to draw any real conclusions from. I simply then don't draw any conclusions. For me it's a "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me" kind of situation. I won't be drawn into anything based on hope or fascination. Things seen only from the corner of one's eye or only with special training and extensive effort or altered states of consciousness or peak experiences, are not particularly compelling to me.
I will grant you that your particular god claims are not overtly in conflict with science and, unlike most god claims, at least do not disrespect science. Your claims about consciousness could eventually be partially or completely validated by or at least explained by scientific inquiry. In the meantime, though, I can't accept your claims. All we really have to discuss right now is the logical consistency of your claims and how they comport with accepted philosophical principles.
The scientific method doesn't prove God's nonexistence. Rather it proves evolution to be false. Evolution has never been repeated, tested, or observed in nature. Several key components of the scientific method if I remember correctly.
We all know what the scientific method is:
The steps:
Ask a question
Do background research
Construct a hypothesis
Test hypothesis with experiment
Analyze the data
Draw a conclusion
Communicate results
Would someone please show me through the scientific method how God does not exist, taking me through each of the steps?
The scientific method cannot disprove the existence of God. But then again, the scientific method cannot disprove that somewhere in the universe, there is a planet inhabited by intelligent pink unicorns, either. The fact we cannot prove intelligent pink unicorns don't exist doesn't make their existence the least bit likely. The burden of proof is not to prove God doesn't exist, but to prove that He does.
God exist is the mind of people as does other super natural explanations of creation. Those who believe a God created us won't look beyond for another reason. But, those who do not keep looking for other reasons.
God is like a man presumed guilty in a crime without proof, it's believed simply on the premise of others believing. It makes it harder to find the real criminal but the people who seek proof will keep looking regardless of emotional conviction from others.
Little by little we find scientific proof of our surroundings and processes of life that can be proven. It's slower than ones imagination though and takes time.
People are quick to judge and impatient when they need answers for emotional support, so they hang an innocent man instead and call it a day.
How would one expect to measure the supernatural by natural means?
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The supernatural world does not exist. All things supernatural are the product of Man's imagination.
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How do you know that?
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Because there is NO creditable concrete evidence for it.
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None? Or none that you would care to believe?
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I'm all ears.
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What created the universe? What caused it to exist? Whatever caused it could not have been a part of it--as a thing cannot cause itself.
You only reinforce my statement in post #4.
To address your questions:
#1. You mistakenly see the need for the universe to have a creator.
#2. No one knows with absolute certainty and probably never will. That being said I don't know does not = creator. I say the universe came to be through natural means not magic.
I am still waiting for you to supply some creditable concrete evidence of the supernatural.............I'd even settle for creditable.
I ask you a question using your logic.
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What created the your god? What caused it to exist? Whatever caused it could not have been a part of it--as a thing cannot cause itself.
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