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Old 11-07-2013, 07:09 PM
 
Location: South Africa
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Here are the books of the Bible along with the name of who is most assumed by biblical scholars to be the author, along with the approximate date of authorship:

Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy = Moses - 1400 B.C.
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Moses did not write anything, a lot of what is documented is borrowed form other earlier myths. Moses probably did not exist and his whole exodus story never happened. The bible is not a history book.

Your list is unnecessary as I have dug a lot deeper into apologetics that you have. This list is what you get from apologetic sites.
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Old 11-07-2013, 11:20 PM
 
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Moses did not write anything, a lot of what is documented is borrowed form other earlier myths. Moses probably did not exist and his whole exodus story never happened. The bible is not a history book.

Your list is unnecessary as I have dug a lot deeper into apologetics that you have. This list is what you get from apologetic sites.


Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, also called the Torah but since he didn't sit down and write them all at the same time, some of the stories are repeated in whole or in part. But you will find a theme of a coming Savior, also called a Messiah, which Moses wrote about, just like Philip said in John 1:45.

The purpose of his writings were to remind the Israelites and their future generations of the promises that God had made to them and how their own sins had kept them from flourishing under God's covenant. Moses knew some day he would die and then it would be so easy for the people to convince themselves that God had failed to keep His end of the bargain. But the writings of Moses contain evidence of the people's' unfaithfulness. God does keep His promises and is worthy of our unending praise and worship.

Moses wasn't present when God created the heavens and the earth. In fact, Moses wasn't present for any of the events he wrote about in Genesis. He could have known this information through verbal information passed down through the generations. And he could have heard it directly from God Himself when Moses spent those 40 days on Mt. Sinai with God (see Ex. 24:17-18).
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Old 11-07-2013, 11:39 PM
 
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Sunday afternoon worship(dated June 1, 1833) at the Kirtland Temple service, Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery went into the temple and lowered the curtains around the Melchizedek Priesthood pulpits so that they could pray privately. As they prayed they received a wonderful vision. They saw the Savior, who came to accept the temple. They also saw the ancient prophets Moses, Elias, and Elijah, who came to give Joseph and Oliver priesthood keys authorizing them to do missionary and temple work.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMPve_5RO4E

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Old 11-08-2013, 12:44 AM
 
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Moses wrote the first 5 books of the Bible, also called the Torah but since he didn't sit down and write them all at the same time, some of the stories are repeated in whole or in part. But you will find a theme of a coming Savior, also called a Messiah, which Moses wrote about, just like Philip said in John 1:45.

The purpose of his writings were to remind the Israelites and their future generations of the promises that God had made to them and how their own sins had kept them from flourishing under God's covenant. Moses knew some day he would die and then it would be so easy for the people to convince themselves that God had failed to keep His end of the bargain. But the writings of Moses contain evidence of the people's' unfaithfulness. God does keep His promises and is worthy of our unending praise and worship.

Moses wasn't present when God created the heavens and the earth. In fact, Moses wasn't present for any of the events he wrote about in Genesis. He could have known this information through verbal information passed down through the generations. And he could have heard it directly from God Himself when Moses spent those 40 days on Mt. Sinai with God (see Ex. 24:17-18).
Wrong again. Dig deeper. This is you regurgitating what you have been told. Every pastor or apologist will tell you this lie as most are ignorant of proper scholarship. Despite any archeological evidence, the absence of it, simple math refutes the claims of Exodus. All of exodus only works if you believe in magic. It never happened.
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Old 11-08-2013, 01:38 PM
 
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Shapeshifting Jesus Had a Wife and Kids: Easter Will Never Be the Same


A newly deciphered Egyptian text, dating back almost 1,200 years, tells part of the crucifixion story of Jesus with apocryphal plot twists, some of which have never been seen before.
That Jesus sounds cool. I bet he knew Kung Fu too...
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Old 11-10-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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Shapeshifting Jesus Had a Wife and Kids: Easter Will Never Be the Same


A newly deciphered Egyptian text, dating back almost 1,200 years, tells part of the crucifixion story of Jesus with apocryphal plot twists, some of which have never been seen before.

Did Bigfoot write this article?
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Old 11-13-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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OOOookkkkaaaayyy!!!!
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Old 11-13-2013, 08:00 PM
 
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Wrong again. Dig deeper. This is you regurgitating what you have been told. Every pastor or apologist will tell you this lie as most are ignorant of proper scholarship. Despite any archeological evidence, the absence of it, simple math refutes the claims of Exodus. All of exodus only works if you believe in magic. It never happened.

I owed you an answer but not from this thread. In the sense that none of us were there, we are all false witnesses to the events of both the old and the new testaments. We had a saying in church that if you were not an eye witness you are a false witness. Brother, you are a false witness. Your "dig deeper" statements mean nothing. In reality, you know nothing more than the rest of us but you like to think that you do. You are an expert in nothing except maybe doubt.

You gave me your "4 pillars" of Christianity in another thread. When I got to number 4 where you doubted the very existence of the life of Jesus you lost all credibility in my eyes. Even a novice student of religion knows that Jesus was one of, if not thee most documented man in history- written of in at least 3 of the worlds greatest religions and documented by historians. You showed me that your belief as an atheist was purely of your own choosing when you stated that you doubted that Jesus ever lived. I'm sorry but now I can never take anything that you say seriously again.
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Old 11-14-2013, 01:42 AM
 
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I owed you an answer but not from this thread. In the sense that none of us were there, we are all false witnesses to the events of both the old and the new testaments. We had a saying in church that if you were not an eye witness you are a false witness.
So you admit that you are a false witness?
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Even a novice student of religion knows that Jesus was one of, if not the most documented man in history- written of in at least 3 of the worlds greatest religions and documented by historians.
Of course ... but what you fail to understand is that this only works within your particular bubble. Billions follow religions that believe Jesus was a real person. Billions also used to believe that the earth was the center of the universe. This means nothing other than that Jesus is an attractive idea to many.

As to "documented by historians" ... most of the evidence for the existence of an historical Jesus are Christian in origin. Independent secular mention of Jesus is almost totally absent, especially considering the remarkable miracles and unusual events said to have taken place during Jesus' life. And the prime mention in Flavius Josephus is now widely regarded as a later addition / forgery.

Establishing that Jesus actually lived is also a far cry from establishing all the claims about his divinity and the things he is supposed to have said and done.
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Old 11-14-2013, 02:52 AM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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No he did not. Bible is much older than 1,200 years.
The bible is a book of mythology, not a history book based on facts.
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