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Old 11-01-2013, 04:22 PM
 
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Shapeshifting Jesus Had a Wife and Kids: Easter Will Never Be the Same


A newly deciphered Egyptian text, dating back almost 1,200 years, tells part of the crucifixion story of Jesus with apocryphal plot twists, some of which have never been seen before.
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Old 11-01-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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Another thing to remember is that the Bible we have was filtered through the early Catholic church, and thanks to Augustus celibacy was considered superior over the congress of man and woman and matrimony. Any text that would explicitly describe Jesus' matrimonial relationship with a woman or women would be excluded from the canonized texts we now have as a matter of course.
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:28 PM
 
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So what is it, exactly, about this 1200 year old document from Egypt that makes you believe it over the much older multitude of texts that we have?
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Old 11-01-2013, 05:57 PM
 
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The text (as all religions are false) was likely made to influence or support a different interpretation than the Catholic one (but one likely equally as false). Easter changed already when the Christians usurped that Festival.
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Old 11-01-2013, 09:32 PM
 
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No he did not. Bible is much older than 1,200 years.
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Old 11-01-2013, 10:42 PM
 
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Some also say that Jesus is a reference mushroom, aminitas muscuria, with drama added when some non-Essens wrote the gospels half a century later. And the other gospels besides the 4 in the bible provide interesting viewpoints as well.
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Old 11-01-2013, 11:36 PM
 
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I find many apocryphal texts written from the 2nd century BC to the 2nd or 3rd century AD to be quite interesting. I've read the Book of Enoch and most of the Nag Hammadi translations, for example. In this case, however, you're talking about the early middle ages. Mildly interestiing for medieval historian perhaps, but little more.

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Mark 16:12 ¶After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
John 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Luke 24:16 But their eyes were aholden that they should not know him.
Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
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Old 11-02-2013, 02:44 AM
 
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Isn't that around the time of the beginning of Muhammad's Islam and view of Jesus as a magical prophet that didn't get crucified because of his Mystique powers. Of course, it could also have to do with the desperation of the Jews over the Roman incorporation of Israel as a subjugated State, and many early Christians already had their stories about Jesus' avoidance of the punishment of seditionists (enemies of the Empire).
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Old 11-02-2013, 07:47 AM
 
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I find many apocryphal texts written from the 2nd century BC to the 2nd or 3rd century AD to be quite interesting. I've read the Book of Enoch and most of the Nag Hammadi translations, for example. In this case, however, you're talking about the early middle ages. Mildly interestiing for medieval historian perhaps, but little more.

Scriptures
Mark 16:12 ¶After that he appeared in another form unto two of them, as they walked, and went into the country.
John 20:14 And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Luke 24:16 But their eyes were aholden that they should not know him.
Luke 24:31 And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
I'll be honest...this is one of the more wacky things I've seen someone come up with. If you're basing your opinions of Jesus off of the apocryphal texts, the gnostic gospels and other texts, you won't find the real Jesus.

Mark, Luke and John do not indicate any kind of shapeshifting. Have you never seen someone dress differently and not recognize them? Or wear their hair differently?

And on the road to Emmaus, Luke 24:16 states specifically that their eyes were kept from seeing him -- it wasn't him that changed--it was that they couldn't recognize him.
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Old 11-02-2013, 09:49 AM
 
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I'll be honest...this is one of the more wacky things I've seen someone come up with. If you're basing your opinions of Jesus off of the apocryphal texts, the gnostic gospels and other texts, you won't find the real Jesus.

Mark, Luke and John do not indicate any kind of shapeshifting. Have you never seen someone dress differently and not recognize them? Or wear their hair differently?

And on the road to Emmaus, Luke 24:16 states specifically that their eyes were kept from seeing him -- it wasn't him that changed--it was that they couldn't recognize him.
I think it is reasonable to read it your way, but like all scripture it's quite malleable and the cited passages may well reflect echoes of the kind of shape-shifting mythology seen in this Egyptian manuscript, that was perhaps watered down / edited out in the official canon.

This kind of speculation (and it is, indeed, speculation) is unthinkable to you because there's no referent in your dogma -- but it is ironic that you're willing to dismiss it as Jesus-in-a-wig simply because you're uncomfortable with the possible implications of alternative explanations, and yet you will disparage unbelievers and liberal believers for similar naturalistic dismissals of things you accept as descriptions of literal miracles.
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