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Old 11-23-2007, 07:24 AM
 
Location: Mississippi
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Have you ever asked yourself WHY poorer societies "breed in the worst of circumstance"?
*raises hand and waves it around like that annoying kid in school who thinks he knows everything*
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Old 11-23-2007, 07:41 AM
 
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.....is typical of someone who lives a nice, comfortable, safe, stable lifestyle and wants for very little. Have you ever asked yourself WHY poorer societies "breed in the worst of circumstance"?

They breed because children are the product of sex. Sex is just about the only thing enjoyable in the lives of those people.

Children are also the only way that they have of hoping that there will be someone to take care of them when they are old and helpless.....they can't depend on a god to do it. This idea of children taking care of the elderly is not just a christian atribute.

They breed because they have sexual intercourse. Is that so hard to understand?

Birth control requires a certain level of education or money. Maybe God could provide that too along with food and clothing.

Population has to have some means of control. Since Mankind doesn't seem to be able to do this, Nature (or god) has to.

Does anyone have a better way of doing it on a world wide basis?
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:00 AM
 
Location: UK
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They breed because children are the product of sex. Sex is just about the only thing enjoyable in the lives of those people.

Children are also the only way that they have of hoping that there will be someone to take care of them when they are old and helpless.....they can't depend on a god to do it. This idea of children taking care of the elderly is not just a christian atribute.

They breed because they have sexual intercourse. Is that so hard to understand?

Birth control requires a certain level of education or money. Maybe God could provide that too along with food and clothing.

Population has to have some means of control. Since Mankind doesn't seem to be able to do this, Nature (or god) has to.

Does anyone have a better way of doing it on a world wide basis?
The only reply that comes near is your second one. The other indicate that you have no idea.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:04 AM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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Would it be easier for them to starve to death when they are grown? Every female child would probably have at least one child before she died. IF natural disasters ARE God's work as a means of controlling population, why would a child be more valuble to a society than an adult? Makes more sense to allow them to waste away quickly than to endure years of privatation.

If God used his divine intervention to prevent things like plagues, famine, natural disasters, or to provide food, the population of the earth would have already been too much. Having lots of children is one of the things that the poorer societies do well. People breed even in the worse of circumstances.

"It's not nice to mess with Mother Nature" may be a lot truer that we care to admit.

To me, Nature and all it's workings, is one of the most powerful means of God's care for his children.
Why does anyone have to starve to death at all, child or adult? All I'm trying to say is that if God truly is all-powerful and knowing and loving, why isn't there enough food for everyone, whether they're in a third world country or in the USA? (Yes, there are starving children in our country too.) Also, if God uses this way to thin out the population, wouldn't it make sense that he's also trying to accomplish that by giving people cancer? So why fight it? If someone truly believes that God thins out populations by allowing them to starve to death, it only makes sense that he created cancer to do the same, IMHO. I can't for the life of me believe a supernatural being is controlling everything and allowing so much pain and suffering to exist.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:14 AM
 
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Why does anyone have to starve to death at all, child or adult? All I'm trying to say is that if God truly is all-powerful and knowing and loving, why isn't there enough food for everyone, whether they're in a third world country or in the USA? (Yes, there are starving children in our country too.) Also, if God uses this way to thin out the population, wouldn't it make sense that he's also trying to accomplish that by giving people cancer? So why fight it? If someone truly believes that God thins out populations by allowing them to starve to death, it only makes sense that he created cancer to do the same, IMHO. I can't for the life of me believe a supernatural being is controlling everything and allowing so much pain and suffering to exist.
Very true lovemaine! When thousand are wiped out in disasters the theist is all too quick to put it down to 'the will of God' but watch what happens when those same theist become seriously ill. Then the 'will of God' seems to be forgotten in their haste to rush off to hospital to take advantage of the sciences that they are so quick to dismiss as 'nonsense' at any other time.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:21 AM
 
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The only reply that comes near is your second one. The other indicate that you have no idea.

No idea of what? Of why a merciful god would allow something like Bangledesh to happen? Or that people have sex because it feels good?

I have no idea at all why Bangledesh happened. Go back and read. I put forth the idea that natual disasters MIGHT be the way that Nature has of controling the population.

What would that area, ( Bangledesh, and all the rest) be like if it weren't hit by some sort of natural disaster like flood, typoons, etc every so often? It's a horror story in the making.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Tucson, AZ
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Very true lovemaine! When thousand are wiped out in disasters the theist is all too quick to put it down to 'the will of God' but watch what happens when those same theist become seriously ill. Then the 'will of God' seems to be forgotten in their haste to rush off to hospital to take advantage of the sciences that they are so quick to dismiss as 'nonsense' at any other time.
Well put, ST1100! Like I mentioned in an earlier post, I also don't understand why some Christians will not accept "God's will" when it comes to reproductive issues. I remember several years ago, when the Iowa septuplets were born to a devout Christian family. During an interview they kept saying how the birth of their babies was "a miracle from God". HUH? If they hadn't used modern science due to infertility, they wouldn't have gotten pregnant at all! Again, makes absolutely no sense. (A rep point for you, btw. )
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:38 AM
 
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Undoubtedly, hospital waiting lists would be drastically reduced if the God botherers submitted to the will of God.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:41 AM
 
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Anyone who believes in a loving, compassionate deity should be questioning why that deity allows such things to happen.
Maybe we should quit questioning and start helping, thereby showing God's love.
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Old 11-23-2007, 08:49 AM
 
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What would that area, ( Bangledesh, and all the rest) be like if it weren't hit by some sort of natural disaster like flood, typoons, etc every so often? It's a horror story in the making.
What an awful thing to say! You appear to think that because some areas of the world are underdeveloped, because some people are poor and uneducated (through no fault of their own), they get their just rewards from your 'God of Love' by way of an above average share of disasters. Shameful thinking.....and, if I might add, not very 'Xian' of you.
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