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Old 11-29-2013, 09:49 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Why have we stopped evolving?...
Where in heaven;'s name do you get the ridiculous idea that we have stopped evolving?
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Old 11-29-2013, 09:57 AM
 
Location: arizona ... most of the time
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There is no reason to embrace evolution as a fact other than to validate immorality.



The very people who scoff those who look in a "book" (the Bible) about creation being
  • the altar of superstition
  • upon which knowledge and reason are sacrificed for the sake of ignorance and stupidity
  • lift their eyes from a book and see life in action
yet really can only substantiate themselves about evolution while using a book. Where but a book can a evolutionist explain the lack of any archeological evidences of evolution prior to archeological record, for example: a Triceratops just appears on the archeological scene with no prior evolution hybrids.

It's no less intellectual stupidity to claim a random process when non exist other than artists renditions. As far as the archeological evidence is concerned triceratops have always been a triceratops as with any other dinosaur.

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Old 11-29-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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Evolution is a religion based on an unproveable theory. That's all it is. It is popular because it rejects God and those who hate God find it most appealing.
Wrong again.

I believe in a Creator and evolution is a fact.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:28 AM
 
Location: Earth
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There is no reason to embrace evolution as a fact other than to validate immorality.


The very people who scoff those who look in a "book" (the Bible) about creation being
  • the altar of superstition
  • upon which knowledge and reason are sacrificed for the sake of ignorance and stupidity
  • lift their eyes from a book and see life in action
yet really can only substantiate themselves about evolution while using a book. Where but a book (as one of the Bible skeptics) can a evolutionist explain the lack of any archeological evidences of evolution prior to archeological record, for example: a Triceratops just appears on the archeological scene with no prior evolution hybrids.

It's no less intellectual stupidity to claim a random process when non exist other than artists renditions. As far as the archeological evidence is concerned triceratops have always been a triceratops as with any other dinosaur.
Not Archaeology its paleontology you should be using, unless your saying humans came from triceratops. lol
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:36 AM
 
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"Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know little, and not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will never be solved by science."
- Charles Darwin, Descent of Man, Introduction (1871)
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"Creationism" is religious doctrine and not science; and the religious proselytizers need to face up to the fact. Darwin's theory of evolution has been well established by science. It is time that religion cease being the altar of superstition upon which knowledge and reason are sacrificed for the sake of ignorance and stupidity.
Evolution is also a religious doctrine/belief system as far as above and at species level go. Piggybacking this sort of evolution on the backs of science so that it is accepted as "fact" is totally dishonest.

Graduated pictures of fish growing legs, walking onto land, morphing in to other land animals and ape like creatures, and then ape men who eventually walk upright are all dishonest and not proven. This is why it's a theory/belief.

If the powers that be really believed Creationism was mythical, unbelievable, laughable, they would not be so afraid to teach it in schools as the alternative "theory" to the origin of life. They won't do this, but rather indoctrinate.

Also, the big bang theory as the origin of life is taught hand in hand with evolution. I realize evolution does not explain origin.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:52 AM
 
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As far as the archeological evidence is concerned triceratops have always been a triceratops as with any other dinosaur.
Someone is fast on their way to receiving the Golden Crockoduck Award.

Last edited by Shirina; 11-29-2013 at 10:53 AM.. Reason: A crockoduck ate my original post
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:56 AM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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...snip....

If the powers that be really believed Creationism was mythical, unbelievable, laughable, they would not be so afraid to teach it in schools as the alternative "theory" to the origin of life. They won't do this, but rather indoctrinate. ...snip....
The powers that be aren't afraid to teach Creationism (the Christian version). They don't teach it because it's false.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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The powers that be aren't afraid to teach Creationism (the Christian version). They don't teach it because it's false.
"Science" books still contain the Pitdown man, Lucy, Nebraska man and all the other mythical missing links. If they were worried about not teaching what is false, the evolution chapter would be empty.

It's about teaching what they think people should know. AKA indoctrination.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:20 AM
 
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Evolution is also a religious doctrine/belief system as far as above and at species level go. Piggybacking this sort of evolution on the backs of science so that it is accepted as "fact" is totally dishonest.
Actually, what's really dishonest is for Christians to equate evolution with a religion simply because Christians can't imagine life without some kind of worship and deification of a concept. Yes, Christians, believe it or not many of us have no desire to worship or revere anything and simply adhere to the best evidence given as an explanation for the natural world. Sorry, but a magical god creating humanity from a pile of dirt and a rib doesn't even qualify as evidence - much less the best evidence.

Also, trying to detach evolution from science in order to make it some sort of doctrinal belief system is just a flat out, baldfaced lie. Period. In truth, I think you know this, but the only way your argument works is if you separate science from evolution and then pretend evolution is some sort of quasi-religious cult. I can't even begin to express how ridiculously disingenuous this is, how remarkably dishonest - so much so that as a Christian you ought to be on your knees right now begging for forgiveness.

Is evolution a doctrine? Well, let's see. Evolution offers no deities to worship. It doesn't instruct us on how to live our lives. It doesn't give us a long list of people to hate like gays and witches. It doesn't tell us when to have sex, with whom, and how often. It doesn't put a list of arbitrary restrictions on our lives. It doesn't threaten us with dire consequences if we don't believe in it.

Perhaps even more telling is the fact that I doubt many people would be willing to kill or be killed in the name of evolution. There are no evolutionary martyrs - which is to say that "belief" in evolution does not have militant, zealous, or fanatical adherents. Even evolutionists don't believe that evolution is an inerrant truth above scrutiny, change, or skepticism. No one is firebombing churches in the name of evolution, no one is blowing themselves up for evolution or commiting acts of terrorism. There is no such thing as an Evolutionary political system nor does evolution try to force everyone to adhere to evolution's social rules - even if it had any.

Ergo, the idea that evolution is some sort of religious or doctrinal belief system is patently false, perhaps one of the more nonsensical claims I've heard about evolution for a very long time (and for that, you should be ... well, "proud" isn't the right word, but you get the idea).

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If the powers that be really believed Creationism was mythical, unbelievable, laughable, they would not be so afraid to teach it in schools as the alternative "theory" to the origin of life.
Schools don't teach the "origin" of life because no one knows what that is ... yet. Why would they teach some religious fantasy as an "alternative" theory when science doesn't even try to make the claim it knows how life began? That seems a little unfair, don't you think?

Besides, your premise that creationism is kept out of the schools because of some inherent "fear" that creationism is correct is just a crackpot conspiracy theory. Creationism is kept out of science class because it isn't science. It's as simple as that. Trying to make this into more than what it is, well, that's like trying to make music with an air guitar. How successful do you think that endeavor would be?

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Also, the big bang theory as the origin of life is taught hand in hand with evolution. I realize evolution does not explain origin.
You say that you understand that evolution doesn't teach the origin of life yet your post clearly shows that you, in fact, do NOT understand this.

Also, the Big Bang does not try to explain the origin of life either. The only doctrine that claims to know life's origin comes from Bronze Age religious stories about piles of dirt, ribs, magic, talking snakes and fantasy. All we needed was a castle, some knights, a princess, and an evil stepmother to formulate a really cool fairy tale for children.
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:29 AM
 
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It's about teaching what they think people should know. AKA indoctrination.
So you think we should just all go to church and get indoctrinated there, instead?

This is why there is so much hypocrisy in religious belief. It's only "indoctrination" if the information disagrees with your ancient book.

Thing is, kids are still free to attend church and get their heads filled with arks crammed with metaphorical fantasies. If the parents are big believers, there is no doubt at all that these kids will be dragged off to church every Sunday from a early age.

The ONLY place kids are going to learn about evolution and the Big Bang is in the classroom. Now, I realize that many Christians would just LOVE it if their kids were isolated from any non-Christian choices, but doing that is the very definition of indoctrination, wouldn't you agree?

So if you want your kids to learn about your talking snakes and whatnot, you are free to take them to church. They don't have to hear about it in school, as well.

Church already has the upper hand, anyway, since kids in school might spend two or three weeks on evolution and that'll be the end of it. The curriculum will move on to something else. Church, on the other hand, will bombard these kids again and again and again with mystical notions of the natural world, keeping them in an intellectual dark age for most of their lives. School only lasts for 12 or so years, but church can last a lifetime.

So, given the very short amount of time your kids are supposedly "indoctrinated" into evolution and the Big Bang, I wouldn't sweat it seeing as how religion is everywhere you look and church goes on ... and on ... and on .... and on. You don't graduate from church at age 18 and never step foot in one again. Unlike school.

So give it a rest.
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