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Also in the Aramaic Eli, Eli, lama sabacthani The Eli is spelled Aleph Lah Ya And in Aramaic Pronounced more like Allahi than Eli.
1400 years ago it was probably pronounced as two words, but as time went forward it was easier to pronounce it by contracting it to one and dropping the tilda (~) sound at the end.
1400 years ago it was probably pronounced as two words, but as time went forward it was easier to pronounce it by contracting it to one and dropping the tilda (~) sound at the end.
When you look at the relationship between Hebrew, Aramic and Arabic I believe the 3 languages would have been pronunced more similar to each other. At one time Aramaic could be written with either of the 3 alphabets and often was. And the Arabic alphabet did not come about until the late 6th Century.
I agree it most likely more similar to Hebrew and Arabic and was pronounced as 2 words. Al Lah
If an act of violence is done by a Muslim, Jew, Sikh, Hindu, Buddhist etc it is because of our religion.
If a Christian does an act of violence it is not because of their religion.
At least that is what I keep hearing.
Maybe one day people will realize all of us are responsible for our actions, no matter what religion we follow.
Do You consider these verses in the Quran peaceful?
98.6
Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
48.29
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves
3.32/33
Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)." But if they turn away, then Allah does not like the disbelievers.
Do You consider these verses in the Quran peaceful?
Kingkong, I think you have a very good point.
I have not read much of the Christian Bible and almost nothing of the Quran. However, I have seen some of the 'kill the infidel' passages in the Quran, and I have never seen passages like that in either the Old Testament or the New Testament.
Based on reading the so-called holy books, I think a reasonable person could conclude that Islam is a more violent religion than Christianity or even Judaism.
Do You consider these verses in the Quran peaceful?
98.6
Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Here Disbelieve carries with it the assertion the person is knowledgeable and does so deliberately. Other ayyats tell us that there is no sin for not doing what we have no knowledge of. A disbeliever is doing so deliberately and is unrepentant for doing so.
For a clearer understanding of what is being said if a person does not speak Arabic they should look at, a minimum of 3 translations.
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98:6 (Asad)Verily, those who [despite all evidence] are bent on denying the truth - [be they] from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide: they are the worst of all creatures.
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98:6 (Y. Ali)
Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures.
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98:6 (Picktall) Lo! those who disbelieve, among the People of the Scripture and the idolaters, will abide in fire of hell. They are the worst of created beings.
Yes we believe unrepentant sinners will be cast into Hellfire. That is also a Christian belief. It is an affordable thing. One need only be repentant and ask for forgiveness. No person who is truly sorry for their misdeeds wil be cast into eternal hellfire.
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Originally Posted by kingkong30
48.29
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves
Again do not rely on one translation. Muslims do not believe any translation is the Qur'an and all translations contain errors.
But just looking at the single ayyat through 3 translation you might get a better idea as to what is being said.
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48:29 (Asad) MUHAMMAD is God’s Apostle; and those who are [truly] with him are firm and unyielding
towards all deniers of the truth, [yet] full of mercy towards one another.
Thou canst see them bowing down, pros*trating themselves [in prayer], seeking favour with God and [His] goodly acceptance: their marks are on their faces, traced by prostration.
This is their parable in the Torah as well as their parable in the Gospel:
[they are] like a seed that brings forth its shoot, and then He strengthens it, so that it grows stout, and [in the end] stands firm upon its stem, delighting the sowers. [Thus will God cause the believers to grow in strength,] so that through them He might confound the deniers of the truth.
[But] unto such of them as may [yet] attain to faith and do righteous deeds, God has promised forgiveness and a reward supreme.
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48:29 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.
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48:29 (Picktall) Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves. Thou (O Muhammad) seest them bowing and falling prostrate (in worship), seeking bounty from Allah and (His) acceptance. The mark of them is on their foreheads from the traces of prostration. Such is their likeness in the Torah and their likeness in the Gospel like as sown corn that sendeth forth its shoot and strengtheneth it and riseth firm upon its stalk, delighting the sowers that He may enrage the disbelievers with (the sight of) them. Allah hath promised, unto such of them as believe and do good works, forgiveness and immense reward.
We are not being told to be abusive towards anyone. We are told to be stead fast and strong in our beliefs towards those who try to kead us a stray and supportive of those who are supportive of us.
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Originally Posted by kingkong30
3.32/33
Say (O Muhammad SAW to mankind): "If you (really) love Allah then follow me (i.e. accept Islamic Monotheism, follow the Quran and the Sunnah), Allah will love you and forgive you of your sins. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Say (O Muhammad SAW): "Obey Allah and the Messenger (Muhammad SAW)." But if they turn away, then Allah does not like the disbelievers.
Again do not look at just one translation. No translation is the Qur'an but by looking at several you can get a better idea as to what is being said
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3:32 (Asad) Say: “Pay heed unto God and the Apostle.” And if they turn away - verely, God does not love those who deny the truth.
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3:32 (Y. Ali) Say: "Obey Allah and His Messenger.: But if they turn back, Allah loveth not those who reject Faith.
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3:32 (Picktall) Say: Obey Allah and the messenger. But if they turn away, Lo! Allah loveth not the disbelievers (in His guidance).
Basically we are being told God(swt) will not force those who do not believe in him, to accept his love.
What is violent about that?
Last edited by Woodrow LI; 12-02-2013 at 09:45 AM..
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