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Which "tradition" of traditional marriage is it that you want to keep?
Young girls married off to old men?
Girls sold off to men by their fathers?
Women as property?
Legal rape of a wife?
Multiple wives?
Rape her, then pay daddy for damaging his property?
Does this thread have anything to do with laws on civil marriage that are being debated now? Church is one thing, the state another, and the statutory term for state sanctioned unions is "marriage."
Well, there's nothing sacred about marriage and there's nothing sacred about sex. There is something sacred about kids. Raise your kids right with love or don't choose to have them trumps all other laws concerning fornication, divorce, and marriage.
Nice copy and paste from newadvent.org. Maybe try giving them some credit next time you use their material word for word in half your post.
Maybe this issue is important to Catholics. I can tell you that there are loads of people out there who couldn't care less about The Council of Trent or any other Catholic/Christian marriage tradition; nearly 70% of the world does not share your faith. What people do and should care about in marriages is love, respect, kindness, and family.
I'm sorry equal rights and feminism upsets you so. Maybe these are harsh truths for you to hear, but women are equal to men. We are not property. There's nothing shameful about sex before marriage. Or same sex relationships. Or consenting poly relationships. Or whatever legal adult relationship configuration you want.
Men have no right to the head of the household -- it should be a shared role between the adults in the relationship.
If you want Christian marriage, then fine. Get married in a church and live your life that way; no one's trying to stop you. Just don't expect everyone else to live by your ancient code of morality.
Isn't really a great idea, according to the Bible. It is alright for people who can't control themselves, but in general people should strive to be OK being single.
Some people rack their brain trying to figure out how this pertains to religion because they are ill informed of he sacraments of the church from earliest times.
Christian marriage (i.e. marriage between baptizedpersons) is really a sacrament of the New Law in the strict sense of the word is for all Catholics an indubitable truth. According to the Council of Trent, on 13 December, 1545, this dogma has always been taught by the Church, and is thus defined in canon law...
This concept of marriage is not what the Gay and civil ceremonies constitute today.
The difference between the No Fault temporary relationship agreed to now should b called something else.
This is the 21st century. The concept of most things are not the same as they were 1700 years ago.
Isn't really a great idea, according to the Bible. It is alright for people who can't control themselves, but in general people should strive to be OK being single.
In addition, traditional marriage often incorporates a practice that Jesus
specifically warned against: Making vows (5:34-37).
Women where treated like property in the bible, so it can't be trusted too much.
But Jesus and his father can be trusted because they are love.
Gay marriage should be legalized,
And straight marriages should be a equal union, the woman should not be treated as less than the man for that is evil.
Marriage between a man and a women is the healthiest blue print for kids to grow up in mentally and emotionally. God knew what he was doing.
However, laws are changing.
The laws SHOULD be changing.
So what do you think? Do you think the healthiest blue print for kids is a man-woman marriage irrespective of all the other possible variables?
Do you think kids are better off being with a drunkard dad or an abusive mother - or both? Do you think your draconian rules on marriage should apply in modern times thus forcing children to live their entire childhood and adolescence trapped in a war between husband and wife?
Your utopian viewpoint is all fine and Jim-Dandy when both parents are straight-shooters, responsible, financially successful, loving, and know how to balance work and home. This utter garbage about the harms of gay relationships upon children is just bigotry pretending to be scientific. If anti-gay Christians were REALLY worried about the children instead of enforcing their primitive Levitican superstitions, they would be campaigning equally as hard to ensure that abusive, drunken, drug-addled, irresponsible, neglectful people cannot get married or adopt children as well. I would definitely argue that a child who is smacked around every night is infinitely better off with two loving gay parents than they are in either foster care or staying in the abusive environment. I cannot even conceive of a rational argument that could say otherwise.
Moreover, the arguments Christians put forward for why children with gay parents may suffer harm come from a set of circumstances that -- wait for it, wait for it -- the Christians cause in the first place!
Yeah, that's right. Could a child with two gay parents suffer shame, bullying, ostracization, and disenfranchisement? Why yes, that child could. Why? Because the bigoted Christians create the culture that prevents gays from being accepted and treated as respectfully as any other human being. It's no wonder children of gay parents might have problems when Christians are always shouting about what an abomination those gays are - so any harm that comes to those children is YOUR fault, not the fault of the gay parents.
Christians have created such a toxic culture for gays that it isn't any wonder that children suffer all kinds of ignominy from young Christians taught to pass along generational hatred and bigotry thanks to a Biblical book filled with all kinds of wonderful morality tales like slavery, genocide, murder, blood sacrifice, etc.
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