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What a travesty!! Denmark has effectively mandated that every religion must officially sanction something that they likely consider morally reprehensible. That isn't progress, that's the state force-feeding it's ideals on others.
If a gay couple wants to get married and they can find a church that is willing to marry them then fine and good. But it is very troubling when any government starts telling religions what to do, how they can do it and rewriting the church's entire moral ideology.
The Church in Denmark is part of the government. That's the issue with State Churches.
The Church in Denmark is part of the government. That's the issue with State Churches.
The important thing is that folks of all stripes and persuasions have options that legitimize and equalize, and if they really wish it - sanctify - their unions.
Why don't gays just have their own religion, and legally marry within the guidelines of that religion? Screw the Bible. Moses of the Bible made the order to kill all gays. Why should any gay person think they need to be married within the guidelines of the Bible?
Why don't gays just have their own religion, and legally marry within the guidelines of that religion? Screw the Bible. Moses of the Bible made the order to kill all gays. Why should any gay person think they need to be married within the guidelines of the Bible?
Many gays already follow one of the main religions and Moses didn't order death of gays. Moses didn't know what a gay person was. Leviticus is condemning prostitution in the pagan temples, and is exclusive to the Israelite priesthood, not all humans for all time.
Many gays already follow one of the main religions and Moses didn't order death of gays. Moses didn't know what a gay person was. Leviticus is condemning prostitution in the pagan temples, and is exclusive to the Israelite priesthood, not all humans for all time.
How do you splain this then?
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)
After the command not to give your offspring over to Molech in verse 21, there is a pause and a change of direction where it says "I am the Lord" - Meaning "I, not Molech, am the Lord. Ie, they are being reminded who is God and not to go worship other gods like Molech.
My argument (and not just mine) is that the change of direction goes on to refer to temple prostitution from verse 21 about giving children over to Molech (who is associated in several places in the OT with mentions of giving over sons and daughters to be male and female temple prostitutes) then male temple prostitutes (22), then female temple prostitutes (who also had anal sex with men as well as with animals to worship the gods) (23).
Look up references to Molech in the OT to see the connection to shrine prostitutes HERE: Blue Letter Bible.
Read a brief summary of the historical and cultural context of ancient Canaan, makes it very obvious what the texts are referring to Leviticus 18:21, 22, 23 and 24.
Leviticus 18:21 was about not giving sons and daughters over to worship of Molech
Leviticus 18:22 was specifically about males temple prostitutes (qadesh).
Leviticus 18:23 was specifically about female temple prostitutes (qadesha)
Leviticus 18:24 was about warning that other nations (Egypt and Canaan) became defiled by worshipping other gods so don't follow their practices.
There are more than half a dozen verses in the OT about not giving over sons and daughters to be temple or cult prostitutes, yet never again outside Leviticus does it state that men should not lie with a male and women should not lie with an animal.
eg Deut 23:17: "None of the daughters of Israel shall be a cult prostitute (6948), nor shall any of the sons of Israel be a cult (6945) prostitute.
To me, it's so obvious that Lev 18:22 and 20:13 are references to male temple prostitutes when you follow simple honest Biblical hermeneutics. That's not a blanket description of homosexuals or 21st century gay men.
Even if you disagree with their life choices prostitutes are still human beings and shouldn't be murdered,
Your interpretation still does not make it alright.
Christ said: He with out sin cast the first stone.
Why don't gays just have their own religion, and legally marry within the guidelines of that religion? Screw the Bible. Moses of the Bible made the order to kill all gays. Why should any gay person think they need to be married within the guidelines of the Bible?
What most gays seek is a recognition of their marriage by the various state governments. That way they can obtain the same rights married heterosexual couples receive - such as inheritance rights, child custody rights, hospital visitation rights, filing joint tax returns, etc. In fact, there are over 1,000 benefits, large and small, that legally married couples receive that gay couples cannot if they live in a state that refuses to recognize gay marriage.
Imagine if you were legally married to your spouse in New York, but in traveling to your in-laws for Christmas, you have to cross through several states that refuse to recognize gay marriage, even if you were legally married in a state that does recognize it. So you travel into Kentucky and get into a car accident. You're lucky and escape unjured, but your spouse is in serious condition at a local Kentucky hospital. Under Kentucky law, you would be refused any visitation rights at the hospital because Kentucky doesn't recognize your marriage and thus are not a member of your spouse's family. How would that make you feel? That's just ONE of the many issues gays have to put up with thanks to rabid evangelicalism and fundie-ism.
They aren't seeking religious acceptance - they'll just go to a gay-friendly church. That's not hard to do. But because religion is blocking gays from obtaining their SECULAR rights as a married couple (which violates the 1st Amendment in two distinct ways), the fight goes on. For the evangelists and fundies, all I can say is that they're on the wrong side of history. Support for gay marriage has already crossed into the majority (52%) and is growing at a rate of 2% per year. It's only a matter of time before referendums will be launched to repeal gay marriage bans.
Except perhaps in the hopeless states like Alabama and Mississippi.
Even if you disagree with their life choices prostitutes are still human beings and shouldn't be murdered,
Your interpretation still does not make it alright.
Christ said: He with out sin cast the first stone.
Jaymax isn't condemning anyone, she's explaining the original meaning of the verses. Sabbath breakers are human too. Doesn't mean the Torah doesn't demand they be executed.
Jaymax isn't condemning anyone, she's explaining the original meaning of the verses. Sabbath breakers are human too. Doesn't mean the Torah doesn't demand they be executed.
I wasn't trying to imply that she was, my post was directed at the Torah and how I feel it is unjust.
I feel murder in any form is wrong and evil,
it is my belief that the Torah was written by the devil because of those unjust laws that contradict the teachings of mercy and love.
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