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Marriage to the person you love has NEVER been a guaranteed right.
Do you support the marriage of a man to his mother? Or 2 sisters?
1. So you married your wife or husband without loving them? Wow, that's one beautiful marriage that's gonna last forever
2. I don't know what incest has to do with same sex marriage, but if they want to get married why not? It's not my life it's theirs. I'm against telling people how to live their lives because of what my religion or opinion says.
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C'mon up here to Canada. We're a quaint, fun-loving, and eminently sensible people. We've allowed same-sex marriage for a few years now and last I checked, society hasn't crumbled.
I've always wanted to live in Canada. I might consider it
Then let the people vote. In most cases when the people vote, marriage wins. For the most part, the only time same-gender "marriage" gets pushed through it's because of a power-grabbing court system.
Except for the states that have VOTED to allow SSM. It is the job of legislatures to pass laws, and it is the job of judges to determine if those laws are constitutional. So far SSM bans are being found to be unconstitutional based on the 14th amendment.
Nature also teaches that homosexuality exists within other species - which to most people of sense, indicates normalcy.
And two loving parents (or one, if circumstances require it) can be of any gender. It sure beats one or two indifferent/drunk/uncommitted parents of opposite genders.
Gay rights and human rights are synonymous - except, apparently, to stone-age thinkers.
And to complete your knowledge base - a family unit consists of two people who love each other.
Try to process the above. You'll be a better person for it just for the attempt.
I think what is seen in nature is not homosexuality but "dominance" behavior as in one male dog riding the back end of another male dog to establish dominance. Man has the ability to think and reason and some to be concerned about their soul because of those attributes while animals do not.
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We may have stumbled upon the root cause of fundamentalism's anti-gay stance.
I'm not surprised. I mean, they think about it SO much!
Actually, we try not to think about it. But, what, probably a million threads started on [domain blocked due to spam] in nearly every area of the forum dragging it up again and again always hoping for a different outcome? Seriously!
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You must not study nature very well. Homosexuality is nearly universal among animals. In fact, some species have more homosexuals than heterosexuals and it increased their survival due to more caretakers of offspring being available.
Again, "dominance" behavior. So, homosexuality among humans isn't based on that is it? Perhaps that is what I am not understanding.
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I've repeatedly said, it is not wise to alter a legal definition of marriage simply because 1% of the population wants it. I don't see a need to do so.
Redefining the word "marriage" is an important issue. Calling it "marriage" makes it seem more morally acceptable which, of course, for those that follow the laws of God, it is not. I would agree with a civil union and believe that all unions should be called civil, reserving the word "marriage" for those joined in holy matrimony. Of course, it is my understanding that it isn't about the legality of the union but in redefining the word "marriage".
I think what is seen in nature is not homosexuality but "dominance" behavior as in one male dog riding the back end of another male dog to establish dominance. Man has the ability to think and reason and some to be concerned about their soul because of those attributes while animals do not.
Maybe in some animals but not in all. Male black swans form life long pair bonds, That is not dominance behavior.
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Redefining the word "marriage" is an important issue. Calling it "marriage" makes it seem more morally acceptable which, of course, for those that follow the laws of God, it is not. I would agree with a civil union and believe that all unions should be called civil, reserving the word "marriage" for those joined in holy matrimony. Of course, it is my understanding that it isn't about the legality of the union but in redefining the word "marriage".
The word marriage is the word that all of those legal protections are attached to. All case precedence is for those laws titled marriage.
Churches have holy matrimony, they don't own the word marriage.
Redefining the word "marriage" is an important issue. Calling it "marriage" makes it seem more morally acceptable which, of course, for those that follow the laws of God, it is not. I would agree with a civil union and believe that all unions should be called civil, reserving the word "marriage" for those joined in holy matrimony. Of course, it is my understanding that it isn't about the legality of the union but in redefining the word "marriage".
There are 3 defining names:
Not dictionary definitions but how it seems to me they are usually used
Holy Matrimony--A man and woman Married in accordance with your Religious belief
Matrimony--A man and Woman married in accordance with a religion you don't believe in
Marriage--Two entities married in accordance with civil laws
Not dictionary definitions but how it seems to me they are usually used
Holy Matrimony--A man and woman Married in accordance with your Religious belief
Matrimony--A man and Woman married in accordance with a religion you don't believe in
Marriage--Two entities married in accordance with civil laws
You forgot Unholy Matrimony, which is a man and woman married in accordance with your religious belief but with outcomes as if they had been married in some perverse mockery of marriage involving, possibly, the blood sacrifice of goats to Satan. That is the way my first marriage worked out; that the church blessed it up front, mattered not a whit ...
In reality, all there is, is marriage (civil or a common-law equivalent); whatever magic fairy dust you care to sprinkle on it doesn't really matter. It's still important to know yourself and your prospective mate, and to choose well, for both parties to be deeply committed and to put hard work into it, and preferably to have lots of good luck as well.
For many of them, you can have a lawyer write up a contract. For the rest of them, I honestly don't care. It's not a marriage.
Your hate is complete, your sir are a despicable representative of your so called loving god.
“You can safely assume that you’ve created God in your own image when it turns out that God hates all the same people you do.”
You are an outstanding chargé d'affaires of the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.” I suspect your character is so flawed that you are even proud of this.
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Then let the people vote. In most cases when the people vote, marriage wins. For the most part, the only time same-gender "marriage" gets pushed through it's because of a power-grabbing court system.
If that were the case, our schools would still be segregated, interracial marriage would still be illegal, and women would not have the vote. But I suspect you would be fine with all that, correct?
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