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Old 12-01-2007, 11:41 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Again, to go back to the balloon. If the balloon were expanding, it would have to be expanding into something. That something is space which is currently unused.

What you are saying is actually only your own hypothesis. The 'area' or 'space' you are speaking about cannot be known to us. It could have its own laws of gravity and a completely different reality of space/time, etc. in comparison to our universe. An object or sentient entity in our own universe has no way of detecting or 'knowing' anything about that 'area' or 'space', as far as today's science is concerned.

The 'space' outside the balloon could just as reasonably be conceived of as the 'other side' of a Mobius strip ribbon, or as being entirely 'complementary' to the space/time in our universe in some physical sense that we can't understand right now.

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Old 12-02-2007, 02:11 AM
 
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Allah,

I think you're confusing the universe with the totality of space. The universe is comprised of all KNOWN matter. Outside of our universe we do not know if there is matter anywhere else.

The best visual representation that I can give you is to think of a balloon in a very large very dark room. Now, inside that balloon are millions of atoms and particles. In that very dark room there is no way of telling, especially from inside the balloon, if there is another balloon inside that room. The first balloon is a known. If we were inside of it, we would know we were inside of it and even if it was expanding it would have to be expanding into the empty 'space' of the room it was in.

To say that the universe is comprised of all the space and matter is true but untrue. Although it is comprised of all the 'known' matter, it cannot be comprised of ALL the space. Space is just that. It's empty, unused, ready for something to fill its' space. That is the infinitism space in which our universe exists.

To go even further back to the Big Bang, under your assumption that we are in some sort of non-expanding balloon, than we must postulate what the Big Bang "grew" into. How did the Big Bang go from a singularity in 'space' to comprise itself of such a vast amount of space taking matter?

The universe didn't expand within itself, it expanded into space. Where matter lacks filling those empty spots we do indeed have empty space but it is within our own universe. So, yes, our universe is comprised of matter and space, however in order for it to grow, it must grow into something. That something is empty space.

Again, to go back to the balloon. If the balloon were expanding, it would have to be expanding into something. That something is space which is currently unused.
what your describing is the observable universe which limits do not limit the Universe...if it did...the universe was once limited to the earth as nothing was known or observable outside of it
and i think youre wrong in the analogy of the balloon...we are not inside of the balloon ...if anything we are on the balloon...nothing inside the balloon is expanding its only filling up with more particles.....but on the surface of the balloon the particles are at a set number and are expanding away fromone another as you blow the balloon up
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Old 12-02-2007, 10:31 AM
 
Location: Florida
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Hmmm.
Would I be able to stand on the "edge" and see the back of my head?
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