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the mason connection was possessed. I don't want to go into great detail about it, but it's real and Satan is a BIG part of it. I'm not scared of much, but these people were truly filled with demons and it was serious business.
Any human who doesn't have an indwelling of the Holy Spirit can be possessed by demons. This includes Masons, Moose Lodge, Kiwanas, Boy Scouts, and non-joiners. The possession has nothing to do with any club membership.
You know Hiram, it's real easy to sit there and talk about something of which you know nothing about. As for the sacred circle thread that I started, everyone who comes there is treated with respect regardless of what your religion or your belief may be, everyone is equal, it's called respect.
As for Freemasonry, which you know nothing about, here is a list of very prominent freemasons. W.W. Barnes, professor of church history at Southwestern Seminary. Edward Bass, first Protestant Episcopal Bishop of Massachusetts. Robert E. B. Baylor, founder of Baylor University, Texas first Baptist College. Major General Charles E. Brown Jr., served as U.S. Army chief of chaplains. Lansing Burroughs, president of the Southern Baptist convention, and pastor of eight Southern Baptist churches. Father Francisco Calvo, Catholic priests who started Freemasonry in Costa Rica. Carlton Chase, first dedicated Bishop to the Episcopal diocese of New Hampshire. Montague Graham Clark Jr., Presbyterian minister and president of the school of the Ozarks. W. T. Conner, taught theology at Southwestern University. Geoffrey Fisher, English churchmen, the 99th Archbishop of Canterbury. Frederick William Hamilton, Unitarian minister and president of Tufts College. Herschel Harold Hobbs, an ordained Southern Baptist minister for 69 years. Reverend Jesse Jackson, Baptist minister, American civil rights leader and politician. J. B. Lawrence, vice president of the Southern Baptist convention and secretary-treasurer of the home Mission Board for 30 years. Daniel L. Marsh, clergymen and educator, president of Boston University, chancellor of Boston University. Peter Marshall, Presbyterian pastor of churches in Georgia and Washington, DC, chaplain of the U.S. Senate. Abner V. McCall, president, chancellor and president emeritus of Baylor University in Texas, he served as a first vice president of the Southern Baptist convention. Archibald Mclellan, editor in chief, The Christian Science Monitor. Reverend Norman Vincent Peale, American cleric, founder of "Guidepost".
These are just a few of the well-known religious personalities that are members of the fraternity of freemasons.
I do not think they are devil worshipers or worshipers of Satan or Lucifer.
I would point out that so-called Prince Hall Masonry is not recognised as legitimate by mainstream Masonic Lodges.
Even if it is true that Joseph Smith crafted the Morman rituals based on Freemason rituals, it does not mean that freemason's believed in or endorsed that use. How many of the true believers on this thread have shown that things they believe in used by another group is not endorsed by them?
My father was a freemason in the 40's-60's and my mother was in the Eastern Star during that period as well. My oldest brother was in the Demolay and says it was just a service organization with no weirdness at all, save for the secrecy. I was too young when they were members.
My mother will not say very much at all about the Eastern Star because she took the oath of secrecy, but there is just no way she would ever have participated in any sort of evil organization as depicted in some of these accusations. (My father - who knows????) She gave me the ring a few years ago for some reason.
One thing I remember my mother telling me during the 1960's was that the Freemasons had proof positive that the Joseph Smith claims upon which he founded the Mormon religion were completely false. She would never say more than that and seems to have forgotten about it (or pretends to). I always wondered what that was about but it does seem that the freemasons do not particularly like the claimed link to their older organization.
It is clear to me that some on this thread have a rather nasty theology that anything that doesn't agree with their own view of how religion should be is by definition caused by the devil. So, that would mean that the vast majority of the world is controlled by the devil and he is therefore, by definition a much stronger god than their god. It certaintly does seem to fuel a lot of nasty slander to rather benign groups.
I always have wondered why, when the freemasons seem to mostly be a very benign service organization, is there so much secrecy about it?
Even if it is true that Joseph Smith crafted the Morman rituals based on Freemason rituals, it does not mean that freemason's believed in or endorsed that use. How many of the true believers on this thread have shown that things they believe in used by another group is not endorsed by them?
My father was a freemason in the 40's-60's and my mother was in the Eastern Star during that period as well. My oldest brother was in the Demolay and says it was just a service organization with no weirdness at all, save for the secrecy. I was too young when they were members.
My mother will not say very much at all about the Eastern Star because she took the oath of secrecy, but there is just no way she would ever have participated in any sort of evil organization as depicted in some of these accusations. (My father - who knows????) She gave me the ring a few years ago for some reason.
One thing I remember my mother telling me during the 1960's was that the Freemasons had proof positive that the Joseph Smith claims upon which he founded the Mormon religion were completely false. She would never say more than that and seems to have forgotten about it (or pretends to). I always wondered what that was about but it does seem that the freemasons do not particularly like the claimed link to their older organization.
It is clear to me that some on this thread have a rather nasty theology that anything that doesn't agree with their own view of how religion should be is by definition caused by the devil. So, that would mean that the vast majority of the world is controlled by the devil and he is therefore, by definition a much stronger god than their god. It certaintly does seem to fuel a lot of nasty slander to rather benign groups.
I always have wondered why, when the freemasons seem to mostly be a very benign service organization, is there so much secrecy about it?
Tesaje,I notice that you're in the DC area,I served as a Grand Lodge Officer for the Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia for four years,Also as an officer of one of the four bodies of the Scottish Rite In the Valley of Washington, DC and I'm a past master of 4 lodges in the District of Columbia.It's interesting that you bring up the subject of secrecy,to be quite honest the real secrecy of Freemasonry is that there is no secret,you can go into The House of The Temple Of the Scottish Rite on 16th St. and they have a very huge library in there and you can find all the information about Freemasonry that you want to in that library or go down and visit The Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia on MacArthur Blvd. and get all the information you want about Freemasonry there,or even go over to George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria,Va. and get information from them or even go over to Masonic Services Association of North America in Silver Spring Maryland and get all kinds of information on the Masonic fraternity there.So you see we really are not a secret organization. Oh, by the way,thank you for your kind words about the fraternity
Tesaje,I notice that you're in the DC area,I served as a Grand Lodge Officer for the Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia for four years,Also as an officer of one of the four bodies of the Scottish Rite In the Valley of Washington, DC and I'm a past master of 4 lodges in the District of Columbia.It's interesting that you bring up the subject of secrecy,to be quite honest the real secrecy of Freemasonry is that there is no secret,you can go into The House of The Temple Of the Scottish Rite on 16th St. and they have a very huge library in there and you can find all the information about Freemasonry that you want to in that library or go down and visit The Grand Lodge of the District of Columbia on MacArthur Blvd. and get all the information you want about Freemasonry there,or even go over to George Washington Masonic Memorial in Alexandria,Va. and get information from them or even go over to Masonic Services Association of North America in Silver Spring Maryland and get all kinds of information on the Masonic fraternity there.So you see we really are not a secret organization. Oh, by the way,thank you for your kind words about the fraternity
Just as I suspected all along. The sacred circle kind of gave you away. I didn't know what group you were associated with though. They are much the same. You didn't fool me for a second.
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Just as I suspected all along. The sacred circle kind of gave you away. I didn't know what group you were associated with though. They are much the same. You didn't fool me for a second.
That's right Hiram, I'm the Bogeyman, I'm your Worst Nightmare, I'm a Free Thinker, I am a Native American,and I have come to change the World as you know it.
That's right Hiram, I'm the Bogeyman, I'm your Worst Nightmare, I'm a Free Thinker, I am a Native American,and I have come to change the World as you know it.
My thoughts exactly..........A little silliness never hurts....
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How many of the true believers on this thread have shown that things they believe in used by another group is not endorsed by them?
) She gave me the ring a few years ago for some reason.
Masons and Mormons Worship the Same Gods
