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Old 05-19-2014, 10:59 PM
 
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Because it is up to the discretion of how long the individual has to live, they must be within a six-month period of life left to have this procedure administered, only a physician would know this or is able to do this by law.
Physicians have no knowledge of how long people live. They are trained to heal. All they know are statistics which are accessible to everybody.

Why is 6 months the limit?

How about a patient who gets a signed from his doctor stating he has six months to live and finds somebody to push him off a bridge?

The question remains: Why is it morally okay for a doctor to help somebody die while it's morally not okay for somebody else?

And is ANY doctor good enough--a podiatrist, dermatologist, opthalmologist, or does a doctor specialize in suicide assistance? How about a pharmasict?

In other words: WHAT MAKES A DOCTOR SO SPECIAL!!!
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Old 05-19-2014, 11:35 PM
 
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Physicians have no knowledge of how long people live. They are trained to heal. All they know are statistics which are accessible to everybody.

Why is 6 months the limit?

How about a patient who gets a signed from his doctor stating he has six months to live and finds somebody to push him off a bridge?

The question remains: Why is it morally okay for a doctor to help somebody die while it's morally not okay for somebody else?

And is ANY doctor good enough--a podiatrist, dermatologist, opthalmologist, or does a doctor specialize in suicide assistance? How about a pharmasict?

In other words: WHAT MAKES A DOCTOR SO SPECIAL!!!
I am just reading what is in the guidelines of the states to whom have gone ahead with this procedure.They are just more credible, in other words they may not always be right, but they're never wrong.
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:28 AM
 
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In 2004 I had a prognosis of 3 months at the most without treatment for lung Cancer. I declined treatment.

I suspect the Doctors might have missed the time frame.

Point being the 6 months still comes down to the Doctors opinion. Can not prove a person has a life expectancy of 6 months max, unless the person actually dies in that time frame.

Even the best of doctors can make errors.

Yea or they tell you , you have a long life ahead of you and you drop dead of a heart attack the next day.
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Old 05-20-2014, 06:42 AM
 
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A short time ago, when a relative was in hospice, we asked the hospice doctor assigned to her how much time she had. He said that he's learned never to give a direct answer to that question (i.e., a number of days or weeks or months) because they don't know and have proven to be wrong. In talking about his own personal situation when he traveled to see his dying father years ago, the attending doctor told him that his father had no more than two weeks to live, and he lasted four months.
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Old 05-20-2014, 07:38 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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Because it is up to the discretion of how long the individual has to live, they must be within a six-month period of life left to have this procedure administered, only a physician would know this or is able to do this by law.
Discretion of how long the individual has to live? What does that mean?

I thought we were talking about hypotheticals. Have WHAT procedure administered?

What law are you talking about? I'd certainly be curious to read it.
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:10 AM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I believe the point about having physicians provide the way out is that it would be considered a medical proceedure and most of the less traumatic ways to die would involve prescription drugs. Pushing off of a bridge would violate the idea of having the mechanism available, but the "patient" trigger it. How many non-medical persons are capable of setting up a non-traumatic death that the person himself could trigger?
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:43 AM
 
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I believe the point about having physicians provide the way out is that it would be considered a medical proceedure and most of the less traumatic ways to die would involve prescription drugs. Pushing off of a bridge would violate the idea of having the mechanism available, but the "patient" trigger it. How many non-medical persons are capable of setting up a non-traumatic death that the person himself could trigger?
But what if the patient is fine with being pushed off the bridge? For whatever reason, that's the way he wants to go.
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Old 05-20-2014, 08:52 AM
 
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But what if the patient is fine with being pushed off the bridge? For whatever reason, that's the way he wants to go.
That would depend on whether the state recognized that as a legal way of fulfilling an end-of-life request. My guess is no. Besides, the terminally ill are just too weak and bed-ridden to make something like that feasible.
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Old 05-20-2014, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Logan Township, Minnesota
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Just a thought with the exception of lethal injection, executioners are not medical practitioners.

that is assisted suicide, although the person is usually an unwilling participant.

If an executioner does not need to be a Doctor, why should one who "Assists" in suicides need be?
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Old 05-20-2014, 09:56 AM
 
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June must be missing something here, as she's just not getting it.....

As she

As June types this, her mother is in the ICU, after having been transferred there from the nursing home/rehab that she's been in. For as long as June can remember, her mother has a had "living will" that specifies that when she has reached the end point of her life, that no extraordinary procedures or action be taken in order to prolong her life. She has currently had two heart attacks in the past six weeks, has had additional heart failure and has all but gone into respiratory arrest at this point in time. Is she should she go into respiratory arrest, the doctors must treat her, but not in any way that would sustain or prolong her life. What they are mandated at that point to do is to keep her comfortable, to administer palliative care, but to let nature take it's natural course. In other words, my mother made her own provision to ensure that she would NOT be kept alive come a certain point. The doctors would be legally required to follow through, and let her die a peaceful, pain-free death, letting nature take it's course.

It therefore strikes June: Is there not a way around direct physician suicide, but rather, the honoring and adherence of a legal document that would ensure death, but one that transpires in as pain-free and comfortable way as possible?

Is this not a solution?




Take gentle care.
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