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It's not that difficult to cut and paste. But I understand your dilemma. Really I do.
Your views are obdurate and dogmatic, Eusebius. You have no openness to information that contradicts them . . . none whatsoever! Magical thinking ranks highly in your worldview which makes any reasonable discourse problematic. I don't know why you insist on retaining ancient ignorance and fables in the face of vetted modern knowledge . . . but apparently you see it as some sort of defense of God and your beliefs. It all has very little to do with God and any belief in Him or His Son . . . and is more a distraction than a defense.
Ha ha I dont think that word means what you think it means.
Ha ha you obviously cant think for yourself, but you are happy to hang on the coat tails of someone else. In some circles, that is the sign of a mind numb robot
No one is actually preventing you from doing anything individually. If you want to run through the city streets shouting about God, you are free to do so. We just don't want you folk demanding that everyone bow their heads to your God.Thus we will prevent you from celebrating your faith where and whenever you want.
And just exactly where did I EVER state that I want you to bow your head to "my" God? I never have. So dont make up things and put words into my mouth.
In other words, you dont accept the constitutional provision about "the free expression thereof" In other words there is a constitution EXCEPT for those with whom you disagree.
That is absurd and if you dont know it then you should.
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We really don't need your religion declaring itself in every last corner of the globe, especially in places that have captive audiences - like schools. And no, children shouldn't have to expose themselves to ridicule by getting up and leaving during prayer time thus advertising to everyone that they are 'different.' And bullies just love preying on those who are 'different.'
Bullies like you?
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People can pray where ever and when ever they want already. Where in the Bible does it say that you have to make a grand spectacle with your prayers? In fact, I think Jesus said just the opposite - that public displays of prayer are often insincere.
Surprisingly, I agree with your take on this point.
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Ah yes, here it is, from the book of Matthew:
5"When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full. 6"But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. 7"And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.…
So you believe the Bible is literally true and everyone should behave as dictated in the Bible?
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That includes state congress as well. And no, it doesn't "just" prevent Congress (including state congress) from "establishing" a religion. Modern interpretation of the 1st Amendment has defined "establishing" as also "promoting." In other words, the government from the federal on down cannot be in the business of appearing to promote one single religion to the exclusion of others. Because that WOULD be "establishing" the primacy of a particular faith. Fortunately, we are a pluralistic nation with many cultures and many religions, and no one should feel that the government is trying to push someone else's faith onto you and yours.
Maybe you should read and re-read the 9th and 10th Amendments. Again and again until it sinks through your head exactly what it means.
At the time of the ratification of the Constitution there were some states that in fact has State sanctioned religions. You could look it up. So you dont know what you are taking about. The Congress as determined in Article One is not permitted to establish a NATIONAL religion.
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Oh for crying out loud. Why don't you actually THINK about the meaning of the Constitution instead of just parroting the words.
Do YOU? Apparently not.
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Thus I will issue to you the same challenge I've issued to every other quasi-fascist who has said the same thing you just did.
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Explain to me, please, how, in a pluralistic nation, you can have freedom OF religion without having freedom FROM religion? I'll wait right here while you ignore my question and flail about like everyone else has done.
Same way we can have freedom of speech even though there is some speech which may offend me or you or anyone else. What is it about freedom you do not understand?. Freedom does NOT mean you agree with everything you encounter in your daily life. Far from it.
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Because of case law, what you said is like saying, "No one has a right to be offended - unless they're offended." We have provisions for slander, libel, fighting words, disturbing the peace, and others that put a limit on the 1st Amendment and the freedom of speech and expression. How offended someone has the right to be depends on a lot of variables. Thus making the carte blanche claim that no one has the right to be offended is just plain wrong.
Yes we have all those things you mention, established on a case by case basis. You can be offended, but that does not mean that you can suppress anything and everything with which you disagree, Like people's expression of religion, faith, pornography, political viewpoints, advertising, and yes, the color green.
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LOL and stuff. Comparing the color green to the contentious issue of religion? Seriously?
My example is every bit as absurd as is yours. You and folks like you continue to contend that if you are offended, that is the equivalent of establishment. Deny all you want. That is the effect.
Ha ha I dont think that word means what you think it means.
Ha ha you obviously cant think for yourself, but you are happy to hang on the coat tails of someone else. In some circles, that is the sign of a mind numb robot
Oh chuckmann, sometimes you just really make me laugh way out loud. I love ya man! Thanks for the good belly laugh!
But some Christians have kind of superstition , thinking science is another way intrepreting God's works and
God has technology advanced than human beings
Well, until humans can create dirt, let alone a human from soil, I think it is best to understand that God's science is WAY beyond anything we have today.
Well, until humans can create dirt, let alone a human from soil, I think it is best to understand that God's science is WAY beyond anything we have today.
Yep. God's "science" uses Insta-Poof Magic!!
Man's Science - mores the pity - has to deal with reality.
Ha ha I dont think that word means what you think it means.
Ha ha you obviously cant think for yourself, but you are happy to hang on the coat tails of someone else. In some circles, that is the sign of a mind numb robot
Man's Science - mores the pity - has to deal with reality.
Give me a call when your scientists can "insta-Poof Magic!!"
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