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Old 05-15-2014, 08:51 AM
 
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Often Christian apologists make the statement that Christ fulfilled concepts etc. outlined in the OT.

What does that really mean?

Any dictionary definition does not seem to correlate with the context usually given.

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Old 05-15-2014, 09:05 AM
 
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Some Christians think that Jesus has freed us from the Hebrew laws in the Old Testament. Personally I think this was done just to make Christianity an accessible religion for everyone - given that its predecessor, Judaism, was based on ethnicity.

Some other Christians think it means Jesus only freed us from the sacrificial laws, so we don't have to murder animals every time we turn around. But the moral laws still apply, well, except having to kill people, but hey, sin is still sin. Which is why they get to cherry pick verses out of Deuteronomy and Leviticus to support their bigotry of homosexuals without actually feeling compelled to kill them.

Brilliant, no?

Eh, best get the explanation from someone who knows more about the Bible - because you're liable to get like 15 different answers.
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:06 AM
 
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I see it as a method of adding the fine print to the contract after it was signed.
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Old 05-15-2014, 12:06 PM
 
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I've heard Christians say that according to (their interpretation of) the Bible, the only reason God gave all the 613 commandments to the Jews was to show that the laws were impossible to keep and that they needed Jesus to release them from these obligations. I personally think that this explanation was added after it was ruled by Paul and the early Christians that gentiles need not convert to Judaism to become Christian. These Christians wanted to claim some sort of continuity with Judaism and Paul famously claims that Christians are people "grafted" into the Jewish olive tree. I'm sorry, if you don't follow Judaism, then you can't claim to be a part of it.
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Old 05-15-2014, 06:57 PM
 
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Jesus said that the Love your God and Love your neighbor were the most important commandments and that in them all the Law and prophets were fulfilled. Other references indicate that the point is that the form of Law is not what is needed, but the spirit or intent. When we get wrapped up in details like days and specific usages we have lost the point that what is important is a vested interest in the well-being of everyone involved in any particular situation.
The "Law of Love" fulfills what "the Law of sin and death" was intended to do but can't do when people are concerned about obeying the letter rather than the spirit.
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:10 PM
 
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Jesus said that the Love your God and Love your neighbor were the most important commandments and that in them all the Law and prophets were fulfilled. Other references indicate that the point is that the form of Law is not what is needed, but the spirit or intent. When we get wrapped up in details like days and specific usages we have lost the point that what is important is a vested interest in the well-being of everyone involved in any particular situation.
The "Law of Love" fulfills what "the Law of sin and death" was intended to do but can't do when people are concerned about obeying the letter rather than the spirit.
Another good post, nate!!
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Old 05-15-2014, 08:33 PM
 
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Often Christian apologists make the statement that Christ fulfilled concepts etc. outlined in the OT.

What does that really mean?

Any dictionary definition does not seem to correlate with the context usually given.

fulfill | Definition at Dictionary.com Mobile

Fulfill - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

fulfill - definition of fulfill by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.



According to the laws of the OT, absolutely everybody is guilty of a capital crime. Jesus is probably the only person who actually fulfilled the laws by being publically executed for his "crimes" of working on the Sabbath and walking the streets teaching of a God that differed from Moses.

Jesus never lifted a finger against these ridiculously evil laws. Jesus helped to perpetuate and enable these laws of terrorism. He did not come to abolish them, like he SHOULD have. He came to be condemned by them as his "father" YHWH wanted. That was Jesus's super-hero power. He is the only person who could fulfill the laws and be murdered, and then live to tell about it.
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:09 PM
 
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Jesus said that the Love your God and Love your neighbor were the most important commandments and that in them all the Law and prophets were fulfilled. Other references indicate that the point is that the form of Law is not what is needed, but the spirit or intent. When we get wrapped up in details like days and specific usages we have lost the point that what is important is a vested interest in the well-being of everyone involved in any particular situation.
The "Law of Love" fulfills what "the Law of sin and death" was intended to do but can't do when people are concerned about obeying the letter rather than the spirit.
But what does FULFILLMENT mean? In the context you use it does not correlate to any of there dictionary definitions I gave.

In other words, I read and hear the words, but the meaning does not connect.
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:42 PM
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It means He lived a sinless life (keeping all the Law), and therefore became our propitiation. His righteousness is imputed to all who believe.
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Old 05-15-2014, 09:54 PM
 
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But what does FULFILLMENT mean? In the context you use it does not correlate to any of there dictionary definitions I gave.

In other words, I read and hear the words, but the meaning does not connect.
It means to fulfill or carry out what the Law was intended to do..... but honestly, what have you ever seen laws in themselves produce but lawyers? The point is that if people are not willing to do what was intended, no law is of any value. It is a matter of the heart, not of obedience.
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