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Old 05-21-2014, 09:49 AM
 
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if you say man is an animal then you might as well say man is a body
You have a body but you are not your body.
You have an ego but you are not your ego.

or you might as well say that man is just atoms
Man is made of atoms. Being made of something is completely different from being something
Atoms don't have thoughts, feelings, hopes, dreams, or aspirations but people do.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:08 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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if you say man is an animal then you might as well say man is a body
You have a body but you are not your body.
You have an ego but you are not your ego.

or you might as well say that man is just atoms
Man is made of atoms. Being made of something is completely different from being something
Atoms don't have thoughts, feelings, hopes, dreams, or aspirations but people do.
All you are really saying is that man has a capability that the other animals don't share. That does not divide man from animal, man is just an animal with different characteristics. Every species has some differences from the rest.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Ontario, Canada
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All you are really saying is that man has a capability that the other animals don't share. That does not divide man from animal, man is just an animal with different characteristics. Every species has some differences from the rest.
Exactly. And many non-human animals are blessed with abilities that far exceed that of humans.

There are certainly times when I would happily trade my ability for abstract thought for the eyesight of an eagle, the strength of a rhino or the ability to swim like a marlin.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:25 PM
 
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if you say man is an animal then you might as well say man is a body
You have a body but you are not your body.
You have an ego but you are not your ego.

or you might as well say that man is just atoms
Man is made of atoms. Being made of something is completely different from being something
Atoms don't have thoughts, feelings, hopes, dreams, or aspirations but people do.
I'm sensing the presence of dogma here. It's difficult to respect. You've had this explained to you, but instead of admitting your error, which is actually a pretty noble thing to do, (in my opinion), you're digging in and becoming MORE dogmatic. You are certainly incorrect in your assertion that human beings are not animals; taxonomically, we're 100% animal. Every, single tissue of your body is composed of the same "atoms" that "animals" are composed of. Whether you have a soul or not, which is what I suspect you're getting at, your BODY is completely and utterly animal.
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Old 05-21-2014, 12:39 PM
 
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Humans are a quantum leap above animals.
No, they're not. In fact, human DNA is only 1% distinct from chimpanzee DNA. (1% is hardly a quantum leap). It's true that, inside of that 1%, there rests the ability to do calculus, play the violin, cure polio and put men on the moon, but if we ever encounter an alien species with just 1% more "frontal lobe" than we have, that species will likely be so much more advanced than we are that, upon meeting them, it may become we who are seen as "animals."
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Old 05-21-2014, 01:58 PM
 
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Science has not "failed" to make any point! Science is all about putting all learnings up for evaluation and possible future change of theory based on facts.

The theory of evolution is based in millions of facts.
Say a million years from now science comes up with more facts that theory of evolution is wrong. What you gonna do then?
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Old 05-21-2014, 02:07 PM
 
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The theory of evolution is just that a theory that is changed and updated as new facts are discovered.
Creationism is dogma, you are told to believe it, failure to believe it reflects on your commitment to your faith.
Your choice is did we evolve from a primordial soup 4.5 billion years age to what we are today?
Or did some super deity throw us together fully formed in the space of a few days 6000 years ago?
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Old 05-21-2014, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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Say a million years from now science comes up with more facts that theory of evolution is wrong. What you gonna do then?
Ummm, if that happens in a million years, I'm gonna look back and chuckle......or maybe not.
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Old 05-21-2014, 04:13 PM
 
Location: Somewhere out there.
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Say a million years from now science comes up with more facts that theory of evolution is wrong. What you gonna do then?
I'll have been dead for just under a million years... so... not a lot.

Science is not going to prove evolution is wrong. The evidence is more than overwhelming and will only grow stronger. You need to accept that.

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Old 05-21-2014, 04:28 PM
 
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Say a million years from now science comes up with more facts that theory of evolution is wrong. What you gonna do then?
Our understanding of evolution is shown to be wrong all the time. That is the point of science, so find where our understanding breaks down and adjust out understanding to match observable reality. Just like Newtonian mechanics has bee shown to be "wrong", or rather incomplete and inadequate for certain things, we have added Relativity to our understanding.

In the same way, we have added and will continue to add to our understanding of biological origins. I am certain there are things we think are true that may turn out not to be so. We will do what science does best, adapt out understanding.

That being said, even though Relativity and Quantum Mechanics and all the other "weird" physics have extended Newtonian mechanics, it does not invalidate that model when applied within the proper constraints and limits. Likewise, it is very hard to imagine any scientific discovery that could completely invalidate biological evolution simply because the weight of evidence is so great. If it were to happen, then of course we would adopt whatever the more accurate model was and go from there.

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