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Oh yes, that's where one needs to analyze God by his message. Read the holy books that are claimed by its followers as the message of God, do your research and see which makes sense to you? There is no excuse to that. But hey, I will be able to tell the wrong God that "AT LEAST I tried to find you" instead of saying I outright denied your existence. Fingers crossed for both of us
lets say if the sun was not this hot, and instead of where it is placed at a certain distance from sun now, we move the earth to about 100 miles away from sun. All your theories will go out of the window as now no matter how you rotate the earth, at whatever speed and at whatever angle, you will prolly have day light all over the world all the time. There will be a HUGE disproportion between the day n night (there will be hardly a night )
So yes indeed, the distance between earth and sun DOES have the imperative effect in formation of day and night and striking a balance in them, together with its controlled axial and orbital rotating factors. But then again, lol all this happened either luckily or randomly - make your choice.
Oh yes, that's where one needs to analyze God by his message. Read the holy books that are claimed by its followers as the message of God, do your research and see which makes sense to you? There is no excuse to that. But hey, I will be able to tell the wrong God that "AT LEAST I tried to find you" instead of saying I outright denied your existence. Fingers crossed for both of us
Most atheists were former believers. Thus they can make the same argument - at least we tried to find you, but you were so well hidden that we never did.
lets say if the sun was not this hot, and instead of where it is placed at a certain distance from sun now, we move the earth to about 100 miles away from sun. All your theories will go out of the window as now no matter how you rotate the earth, at whatever speed and at whatever angle, you will prolly have day light all over the world all the time. There will be a HUGE disproportion between the day n night (there will be hardly a night )
So yes indeed, the distance between earth and sun DOES have the imperative effect in formation of day and night and striking a balance in them, together with its controlled axial and orbital rotating factors. But then again, lol all this happened either luckily or randomly - make your choice.
Nope. Sorry. Reduce the sun to 100th of its size, or not for that matter and bring it a lot nearer or further away - as is the case with other planets. Given that the rate of earth's rotation is as it is now, night and day will be just as they are now. If you are thinking that bringing the sun nearer will somehow make the light spread further into the night side of the earth, you have something to learn.
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Oh yes, that's where one needs to analyze God by his message. Read the holy books that are claimed by its followers as the message of God, do your research and see which makes sense to you? There is no excuse to that. But hey, I will be able to tell the wrong God that "AT LEAST I tried to find you" instead of saying I outright denied your existence. Fingers crossed for both of us
I would guess that almost all of us unbelievers spent decades looking at the various religious claims. Then we, as much as you (or so you claim) put in maximum effort to find the 'Right God' rather than just taking hime the one they were given and closing the mind after it.
I daresay a god would appreciate efforts to find about the facts about the bioforms and how they developed, rather than just insist they were all made in one go, fully developed, and refuse to look at any evidence to the contrary.
You can save these arguments or threats. We have seen them all before and they have no merit or validity or force. They are a crock that holds no water.
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lets say if the sun was not this hot, and instead of where it is placed at a certain distance from sun now, we move the earth to about 100 miles away from sun. All your theories will go out of the window as now no matter how you rotate the earth, at whatever speed and at whatever angle, you will prolly have day light all over the world all the time. There will be a HUGE disproportion between the day n night (there will be hardly a night )
So yes indeed, the distance between earth and sun DOES have the imperative effect in formation of day and night and striking a balance in them, together with its controlled axial and orbital rotating factors. But then again, lol all this happened either luckily or randomly - make your choice.
Day and night are only "balanced" because of the somewhat arbitrary way in which we divided up the days, months, weeks, and years. Even then, there are errors. Besides, day and night are not balanced. Days get longer and shorter as the angle of the earth with respect to the sun changes.
Most atheists were former believers. Thus they can make the same argument - at least we tried to find you, but you were so well hidden that we never did.
Yep, we ALL will have our own excuses on that day of judgement because none of us is perfect.
For me, the message of my creator has been arrived to me in the form of Quran when I pondered upon finding the ultimate truth. So I have convincingly submitted to this force, I think it's a smart gamble.
And you have played the gamble based on the reasons and finding of your own research.
So to you your faith and to me my faith - lets wait and we shall find out after the last curtain falls.
I have to confess that I don't really understand the point of this thread. Was the sun created after the birth of the universe? Yes...by a lot. In fact, the sun is probably at least a second generation star. Was the moon created at the same time as the sun? No. The moon came much, much later. Beyond the relationship drawn between them in the bible, is there a special relationship between the sun and moon? Not really...at least no more than any other two bodies in the solar system. The same rules of physics apply across the board.
Gotta love it when people with no understanding of science try to argue against it.
The way science works for a believer is this,
First, you believe that there is a creator.
Then you use the knowledge of science, logic, reason etc to try to understand how the creator made all this?
There will ALWAYS be things that you will be able to understand with the help of science and there will ALWAYS be things you won't understand with the help of scientific knowledge, logic, reason etc; however, you will never be able to figure out EVERTHING whether you believe in the creator or not.
For believer, it's recommended to excel in gaining knowledge that benefits humanity and knowledge that helps you figure out how the creator has created things, this will only make you more humble.
The believer believes in creator and then tries to figure out things till his life ends. A non believer does not believe in the creator and tries to figure out things till his life ends. Both of them will never figure out everything; however, the believer is at advantage if after death they both find out that yes there is indeed a creator whom shall we all return. And that's why a believer's heart is always at peace. He knows that he has a creator and he ponders upon the purpose of existence.
If you don't believe in a creator then use ALL the scientific knowledge that humanity has collectively achieved and try to create a grain of sand from nothing. Once you give up, only then you will ponder upon who created this grain of sand?
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Hello all.
I have to confess that I don't really understand the point of this thread. Was the sun created after the birth of the universe? Yes...by a lot. In fact, the sun is probably at least a second generation star. Was the moon created at the same time as the sun? No. The moon came much, much later. Beyond the relationship drawn between them in the bible, is there a special relationship between the sun and moon? Not really...at least no more than any other two bodies in the solar system. The same rules of physics apply across the board.
Thanks.
Fundamentalists either won't understand this, or will argue ten ways to Sunday that your wrong, or, as I suspect, they will ignore what you had to say as it just does not compute for them.
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