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Old 06-24-2014, 10:13 PM
 
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I doubt that the scriptures say this, but if they do this demonstrates the inaccuracy of the scriptures since many, including many atheists, live much longer than 80 years.

Also, why would I pray to some entity that I deny exists?
Yes some people live longer...many more live shorter.


Psalms 90:10
The years of our life are seventy, or even by reason of strength eighty; yet their span is but toil and trouble; they are soon gone, and we fly away.
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:45 PM
 
Location: Victoria, BC.
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I believe we can conclude that we're dealing with a troll. Only a few people in this world could be this wrong and this ignorant of science.
Fools are the last ones to know that they are fools.
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:55 PM
 
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It isn't grand , the universe doesn't need God,

it's grand the universe doesn't need science.
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Old 06-24-2014, 11:56 PM
 
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Fools are the last ones to know that they are fools.
All we have to do now is figure out who the fools are.
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:18 AM
 
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It is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
Abraham Lincoln

“... The word God is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish." Einstein.
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Old 06-25-2014, 12:39 AM
 
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Einstein had no more edge in credibility for this topic then anyone.
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Old 06-25-2014, 02:53 AM
 
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Einstein had no more edge in credibility for this topic then anyone.
True, but he certainly was not religious.
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:24 AM
 
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God and science
by dhw @, Sunday, March 14, 2010, 19:10 @ David Turell
A SEQUEL

When the professor and Albert Einstein sat down, another student stood up.

“Professor and Mr Einstein,” he said, “as someone far less knowledgeable than yourselves, I must confess to finding both your arguments extremely confusing. For instance, Professor, you call yourself an atheist, but you began by trying to prove that God is not good and God created evil. These arguments concern God’s nature, not his existence, which implies that you think God exists. You then, however, cast doubt on the existence of Jesus and God because they are not perceivable by any of our senses. If these were the rules of “empirical, testable, demonstrable protocol” we would have to say that nothing exists or existed if it is not within the range of our senses. Mr Einstein has pointed out the folly of this argument, but Mr Einstein’s arguments are equally flawed. Cold, darkness and death are terms for phenomena that are perceivable by our senses; the argument that they all denote the absence of something does not make them any the less real, and the fact that our knowledge requires a degree of faith in our own or other people’s perceptions and experiences does not provide one jot of evidence for the existence of God. To call evil the absence of God is to presuppose God’s existence. It is not like the cold that comes when there is no heat, or the darkness that comes when there is no light, because we have a consensus of human perception and experience to support the existence of what we call cold and darkness, but we have no such thing to support the existence of God. To deny the evidence provided by a perceptional and experiential consensus would render all discussion meaningless, and to assert the existence of something on the grounds that other well-known phenomena are not accessible to our senses would be not only unscientific but also contrary to common sense. Neither of you has made out any case at all either for or against the existence of God.”

The student left the room, followed by all the remaining students, and leaving the Professor and Albert Einstein to contemplate the common sense of agnosticism. Indeed, we have it on good authority that Albert Einstein eventually became an agnostic. It is to be hoped that the Professor followed suit.
He called himself an agnostic, while disassociating himself from the label atheist. He said he believed in the "pantheistic" God of Baruch Spinoza, but not in a personal god, a belief he criticized. - Albert Einstein - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 06-25-2014, 03:40 AM
 
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Indeed, and he was a great scientist, up there with the best, but he didn't get everything right. If he had accepted Quantum he might have got to string theory and the Higgs -Boson before anyone else. But he insisted that 'God does not play dice'.

Essentially, what 'God' Einstein believed in turned out to be wrong and what science he followed turned out to be right.

I doubt that the dark hints (a few pages back ) of getting punished for doubting the reality of biblegod after inevitable death would have bothered him any more than it does me.
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Old 06-25-2014, 04:49 AM
 
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It is a fool who looks into the night sky, and says. "It just went BANG."
No. It is a fool who looks into the sky and sees Ole Saint Nick and his sled, being pulled by reindeer!
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