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Despite the title, it is not JUST Biblical history, obviously. It is a large chunk of Ancient Near Eastern history all the way up to modern times. The Epic of Gilgamesh? Who cares about that? It's just the oldest Epic of mankind - collectively. It must burn before the religious extremist idiocy of ISIS, along with other irreplaceable objects of our collective past.
So much more to learn about our past, yet these sites are being looted and destroyed as we speak. If only some country had come up with some method of fighting back without destroying such priceless artifacts... oh wait, they did. But America had a fuss over it and here we are! THANKS, O..... Henry.
Please pardon me. I've been a bit out of sorts over this for a while now.
You miss my point. It could be that there is a double standard which is unreasonable.
Anyway, that no arab or islamic nation has proclaimed itself to be a Vilayat administration zone of the Caliphate is itself a revolt against the Caliph?
Considering that there are ample examples of Mohammed being portrayed in medieval muslim literature and art, some of us see the issues of the cartoons as somewhat contrived. The flames of were fanned by muslim religious leaders. It is not that it is forbidden to portray Mohammed in the Koran is it? And even today, it is not a universal ban, is it?
To suggest ALL muslims were insulted (which the 1.5 billion would represent) is not completely correct. Most Shia's could care less, right?
It was only a cartoon. It killed no one. ISIS is killing people.
Is it not correct that any hadith that discusses the issue applies to muslims only? Are muslims not directed to not enter buildings with icons, but not to demand their removal? Isn't it true that the hadith says that those that portray icons will burn in hell?
Isn't the hadith being perverted in the 21st century from it's original intent?
It was the Shi'a that issued the fatwa (Ayatollah Khomeini) calling for the death of the cartoonists. the Shi'a are an organized religion with a hierarchy of clergy and do take the fatwa of an ayatollah as being a command from Allah(swt)
Up until a few days ago, I doubt if most Muslims had any idea as to what ISIS is. It was not affecting them personally. they stayed oblivious to it.
What most saw was civil war inside Syria and Yemen trying to overthrow dictatorial governments.
Everything hit the fan when "What's-his-Name" declared himself a Caliph.
Up until a few days ago, I doubt if most Muslims had any idea as to what ISIS is. It was not affecting them personally. they stayed oblivious to it.
What most saw was civil war inside Syria and Yemen trying to overthrow dictatorial governments.
Everything hit the fan when "What's-his-Name" declared himself a Caliph.
ISIS is older news than that; they came to general awareness roughly when Mosul fell to them about a month ago. They don't call themselves ISIS anymore; they call themselves simply The Islamic State, effective, I believe, when what's-his-name grandly declared himself Caliph.
ISIS is older news than that; they came to general awareness roughly when Mosul fell to them about a month ago. They don't call themselves ISIS anymore; they call themselves simply The Islamic State, effective, I believe, when what's-his-name grandly declared himself Caliph.
While ISIS existed there did not seem to be any name for them. and they had little awareness outside of Syria and Iraq.
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It was the Shi'a that issued the fatwa (Ayatollah Khomeini) calling for the death of the cartoonists. the Shi'a are an organized religion with a hierarchy of clergy and do take the fatwa of an ayatollah as being a command from Allah(swt)
Up until a few days ago, I doubt if most Muslims had any idea as to what ISIS is. It was not affecting them personally. they stayed oblivious to it.
What most saw was civil war inside Syria and Yemen trying to overthrow dictatorial governments.
Everything hit the fan when "What's-his-Name" declared himself a Caliph.
I am correct though, am I not, that the Koran says nothing about the portrayal of Mohammed, and that any hadith applies only to Muslims, and then only as far as idolatry is concerned.
I am correct though, am I not, that the Koran says nothing about the portrayal of Mohammed, and that any hadith applies only to Muslims, and then only as far as idolatry is concerned.
The prohibition is based upon Ahadith.
It is discussed in detail in the Kitaab At-Tawheed, Chapter: 58 and can be read in English HERE
It should be noted there is not full agreement about this.
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The prohibition is based upon Ahadith.
It is discussed in detail in the Kitaab At-Tawheed, Chapter: 58 and can be read in English HERE
It should be noted there is not full agreement about this.
I can see that it should then preclude any images, including photographic ones if one is to interpret it literally.
I don't think too many muslims worry about whether or not they own photographs, do they?
It sort of like christians who don't stone people for working on the sabbath.
What is written appears to be taken literally when it promotes a point of view, but twisting and turning occurs when for whatever reason it doesn't.
Organized religion that depends on ancient texts seem to run into all sorts of convolutions that way.
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