What is worse for traditional marriage - homosexuals married or adultery? (divorce, religion)
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This thread reminds me of the song by Charley Pride ( ? ). as part of that song, "because know one knows what goes on behind closed doors", this is true true for humans as we don't but God does and He will be the final judge.
Hopefully you know that HIV can be transmitted through heterosexual sex. And heterosexuals can get that virus when the husband/wife they married at the First Church of the Bible in a traditional marriage commits adultery with someone who carries the virus. Using the "standard" parts of the body that even the most traditional in society would consider acceptable use for that body part.
You didn't read very thoroughly as I made a mention of that in another post 113.
I agree with the above statement whole-heartedly. The real question then becomes: what makes you think that same-sex marriage will make people give up on marriage? That's what I hear from the religious folks who oppose it...that it will destroy the sanctity of marriage, weaken the institution, and other claims that are similarly vague and unfounded. But if marriage continues on just fine even though adultery happens, why will it not be fine with same-sex marriages happening?
Spoiler Alert! The institution of marriage will be fine and continue on as normal once same-sex marriage is recognized everywhere in the U.S. And that day is coming...
Thanks.
I think that by compromising and agreeing on a new definition of marriage, marriage is weakened. I believe marriage is a sacred thing. Man didn't create it, and we don't have the right to define it.
No, I don't see it as inherently unhealthy although in certain circumstances it could be....so could brushing your teeth.
You're twisting my words...not an uncommon thing around here with some of you.
Did I ever say AIDS has not affected society? No, I didn't think so.
You have, however, tried to use that little bit of twisting so as to avoid answering the actual questions.
I'll repeat them....
"How is anal sex unhealthy?"(Other than the very narrow situation of one of the partners having AIDS)
"How is the practice of two guys having supposedly unhealthy anal sex bad for society"
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I think championing sin in the public square is bad for any society. It normalizes immoral behavior. This is why there is a pushback amongst Christian sects against homosexuality.
How is homosexuality immoral? It is natural as heterosexuality, albeit a much smaller subset, likely less than 5%. It certainly is not the majority, but why does that make it unnatural??
Let's but it slightly different. Is it unnatrual for a deer to eat meat? One would think so, but there are documented cases of deer eating meat.
Ellis-Felege, S. N., Burnam, J. S., Palmer, W. E., Sisson, D. C., Wellendorf, S. D., Thornton, R. P., Stribling, H. L. & Carroll, J. P. 2008. Cameras identify White-tailed deer depredating Northern bobwhite nests. Southeastern Naturalist 7, 562-564.
Furness, R. W. 1988. Predation on ground-nesting seabirds by island populations of red deer Cervus elaphus and sheep Ovis. Journal of Zoology 216, 565-573.
Nack, J. L. & Ribic, C. A. 2005. Apparent predation by cattle at grassland bird nests. The Wilson Bulletin 117, 56-62.
PIETZ, P., & GRANFORS, D. (2000). White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus) Predation on Grassland Songbird Nestlings The American Midland Naturalist, 144 (2) DOI: 10.1674/0003-0031(2000)144[0419:WTDOVP]2.0.CO;2
Spinage, C. A. 1994. Elephants. T & A D Poyser, London.
So.... it's not "natural", but that does not make it abnormal.
How is homosexuality immoral? It is natural as heterosexuality, albeit a much smaller subset, likely less than 5%. It certainly is not the majority, but why does that make it unnatural??
Why is that the standard for morality? Cannibalism is also quite common in nature.
But I just cannot understand why so many fundamentalists are so focused on the physical part of being gay. If it's not a part of someone's (your) personal life..... why even think about it?
How is homosexuality immoral? It is natural as heterosexuality, albeit a much smaller subset, likely less than 5%. It certainly is not the majority, but why does that make it unnatural??
Let's but it slightly different. Is it unnatrual for a deer to eat meat? One would think so, but there are documented cases of deer eating meat.
Ellis-Felege, S. N., Burnam, J. S., Palmer, W. E., Sisson, D. C., Wellendorf, S. D., Thornton, R. P., Stribling, H. L. & Carroll, J. P. 2008. Cameras identify White-tailed deer depredating Northern bobwhite nests. Southeastern Naturalist 7, 562-564.
Furness, R. W. 1988. Predation on ground-nesting seabirds by island populations of red deer Cervus elaphus and sheep Ovis. Journal of Zoology 216, 565-573.
Nack, J. L. & Ribic, C. A. 2005. Apparent predation by cattle at grassland bird nests. The Wilson Bulletin 117, 56-62.
PIETZ, P., & GRANFORS, D. (2000). White-tailed Deer (Odocoileus virginianus) Predation on Grassland Songbird Nestlings The American Midland Naturalist, 144 (2) DOI: 10.1674/0003-0031(2000)144[0419:WTDOVP]2.0.CO;2
Spinage, C. A. 1994. Elephants. T & A D Poyser, London.
So.... it's not "natural", but that does not make it abnormal.
Same as homosexuality.
I don't think we should look to the animal kingdom to set some standard of behavior. Our reasoning ability does set us apart. Also, God has set the standards of morality in the Bible which is what we try and follow.
And is it SO harmful that it must be attacked with all the ferocity and resources the nation's collective churches can throw at it?
Is it SO harmful that condemning gays must be a greater priority than helping the sick and poor? (See Council of Bishops and the letter they sent to American nuns).
Is it SO harmful that the Mormon church can justify spending $42 million to get gay marriage banned in just one state?
Is it SO harmful that Bible Belt states felt the need to enshrine their definition of marriage in their state constitutions?
Is it SO harmful that businesses simply cannot do business with gays who engage in anal sex? (Straight people who do, however, are happily served with a smile.)
There is simply -no- case in which you can justify the disproportional response from the religious right.
No case at all.
And you have yet to explain why it is harmful to society, because -that's- what I'm interested in. We all know that people do unhealthy things individually all the time and we're not out to ban them all. But if you think -society- should enact laws banning gay marriage and discriminating against homosexuals, you had better have a damn good reason prepared to justify it. Being unhealthy or it being against your religion are reasons heard and rejected as easily defeatable arguments.
You're the one bringing up religion, not me.
Anything that's harmful to the individual, is harmful to society. However, society cannot "ban" such behavior. People are always going to do harmful things.
I don't like the idea of redefining marriage, but it's gonna happen soon.
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