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Old 07-02-2014, 10:22 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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We know how many christians rant and rave against homosexuality in general and same sex marriage in particular.

They rant on forums, they rant from the pulpits, and they rant to their politicians.

Yet the focus on how destructive homosexuality and same sex marriage is makes one wonder why adultery does not have the same or a larger focus from christians and from the pulpit?

After all, what is more destructive to a traditional marriage? The deceit that one partner carries out? Or the fact that Eve and Mary next door have sex together in a loving stable relationship?

Maybe it's because surveys show that there is more cheating going on in the bible belt? Cheating site Ashley Madison has a higher percentage of members from the bible belt. What is it in the DNA of fundamentalist christians that causes that, and on the other hand, so object to homosexual marriage?
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:43 AM
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Neither is good for society.
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:54 AM
 
Location: The backwoods of Pennsylvania ... unfortunately.
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Neither is good for society.
You have never made your case against gay marriage. You've only declared it to be harmful, but there's no reason to believe it.

The courts agree.
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Old 07-02-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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Neither is good for society.
This I am curious about.

I see the argument that adultery is not good for society as a whole. It is a breaking of a promise, a contract, that ostensibly helps promote social stability. Marriage helps extend economic and social protections to families, in order to make it a better value proposition to work together to make a life, to raise children,and to care for extended family. Adultery is, or can be, a repudiation of the foundation of this social arrangement.

But, if we assume that a stable, committed marriage is good for society, why would it be bad for society if homosexuals formed those same stable, committed marriages? It stands to reason that if society is better off with stable heterosexual marriages, it should benefit equally from stable homosexual marriages.

-NoCapo
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:07 AM
 
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Neither is good for society.
How does same sex marriage or homosexuality harm society?
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:19 AM
 
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Ya all know that God don't take kindly to either, courts and society may look the other way , but God knows everything as this is sin and one will have to see Him at judgement Day, until that time, you all come back now here and we'll read some scripture together.
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:20 AM
 
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How does same sex marriage or homosexuality harm society?
I would say the reasoning for most would run something along the lines that God, according to how they interpret their holy text, says homosexuality is wrong. Therefore God will be angry with any society that condones it by legalizing ssm, and remove any preferential treatment he had been providing that society up to that point. Also, because society is condoning what God considers a sin, it sets a precedent that will cause them to spin into a moral decline so corrupt and heinous that it will lead to that society self-imploding.

There might also be a vague notion that the children under the care of those in a ssm will be harmed. Honestly, this is the one concern I do wonder about? Is there any research that indicates problems for those kids -- not problems caused by the prejudices of others, but by actually being raised in a household without different-gender parental influence? Not that that should mean it shouldn't be legal. Because even if it does create difficulties, the same can be said of any 2 human beings, regardless of gender, coming together with their different baggage, and raising kids. (In other words, none of us should be pro-creating. )
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:25 AM
 
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After all, what is more destructive to a traditional marriage? The deceit that one partner carries out? Or the fact that Eve and Mary next door have sex together in a loving stable relationship?
If I may, Cupper, another next question is:

Are all those who are believe their marriage is affected by Eve and Mary (who live next door and are celebrating their first anniversary) as concerned about Jack and Rita who live on the other side and doing goodness knows what behind closed doors?
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Old 07-02-2014, 11:25 AM
 
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There might also be a vague notion that the children under the care of those in a ssm will be harmed. Honestly, this is the one concern I do wonder about? Is there any research that indicates problems for those kids -- not problems caused by the prejudices of others, but by actually being raised in a household without different-gender parental influence? Not that that should mean it shouldn't be legal. Because even if it does create difficulties, the same can be said of any 2 human beings, regardless of gender, coming together with their different baggage, and raising kids.
What I have seen is that most studies show little to no difference in same sex parenting or hetero parents. In fact, in a lot of studies show lesbian couples to have better parenting outcomes, but there are any number of factors that could influence this.

And even if this were not the case, the real comparison would be are same sex marriages better for raising children than a single homosexual parent. Only if same sex marriages are the worst of all possible options, does it make sense to prevent them...

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Old 07-02-2014, 11:30 AM
 
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I would say the reasoning for most would run something along the lines that God, according to how they interpret their holy text, says homosexuality is wrong. Therefore God will be angry with any society that condones it by legalizing ssm, and remove any preferential treatment he had been providing that society up to that point. Also, because society is condoning what God considers a sin, it sets a precedent that will cause them to spin into a moral decline so corrupt and heinous that it will lead to that society self-imploding.
They've never been able to make a direct correlation between how permissive a civilzation was toward gays and that civilizations's decline. It's all a big smoke job.

They'll say something like, "Rome was permissive about homosexual relationships and look what happened to them!"

As if the Fall of Rome was caused almost exclusively by gays and angry gods.

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There might also be a vague notion that the children under the care of those in a ssm will be harmed. Honestly, this is the one concern I do wonder about? Is there any research that indicates problems for those kids -- not problems caused by the prejudices of others, but by actually being raised in a household without different-gender parental influence? Not that that should mean it shouldn't be legal. Because even if it does create difficulties, the same can be said of any 2 human beings, regardless of gender, coming together with their different baggage, and raising kids. (In other words, none of us should be pro-creating. )
I'm not aware of any legitimate study that suggests children are somehow harmed or traumatized by living with gay parents. I've heard of some research being done, but the studies were excessively biased, poorly administered, and financed by anti-gay Christian groups.

At any rate, the state would have to prove that significant harm would come to a child, to the point of it being abuse, if he is raised by a gay couple. Otherwise, they would have justification for removing a child from his parents.
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