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Old 12-20-2007, 04:06 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Which thumper is going to demonstrate that Genesis was actually just a bunch of figurative language? Not to mention the rest of the biblical quotes found in the site I posted. Good luck.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:08 PM
 
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That sit displays a pretty profound lack of understanding of Biblical interpretation and Christian cosmology for at least the past 800 years. Sites like these are what happen when people proceed based upon their own false assumptions rather than finding out what Christians actually believe.

You didn't finish your answer. What are the false assumptions? What beyond the Bible should a nonbeliever have to read to learn about the Bible's cosmology, you know, what God REALLY MEANT TO SAY on these topics?

hahaha what a crock, these people must think they're still sitting in a Sunday School class.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:17 PM
 
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Which thumper is going to demonstrate ....
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hahaha what a crock, these people must think they're still sitting in a Sunday School class.
Yeah.

That's an attitude that will have people lining up to talk to you.

If only you believed like you quote.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:23 PM
 
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You didn't finish your answer. What are the false assumptions? What beyond the Bible should a nonbeliever have to read to learn about the Bible's cosmology, you know, what God REALLY MEANT TO SAY on these topics?
If I would receive a direct message from God and relay it to others, how would I relay it? In normal words... using normal ways of speaking for my time. The prophets effectively brought across the message God was giving. David was inspired about God's mercy, and so he said this..
Ps. 103:12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us.
Nonsensical? Sure! But it relays the message. And whether David (or Moses, or Isaiah) thought that we lived on a flat earth with a sun and moon rotating around it, is beside the point. The message came across.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:32 PM
 
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Well God bless your exceedingly figurative mind and way of dealing with the world.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:37 PM
 
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From the site I posted:
"Daniel 4:10-11 ~ Daniel saw a tree of great height at the center of the earth visible to the earth's farthest bounds."


There were Greeks who understood that the Earth is round (like a sphere, not a circle) before the biblical Book of Daniel was written.

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Old 12-20-2007, 04:47 PM
 
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Oh, yes, this one is fun, too:
"The Flat-Earth Bible"
http://www.lhup.edu/~dsimanek/febible.htm

This page goes into some detail about how the discussion found in the book of 1 Enoch (aka Ethiopic Book of Enoch) is informative about the world view of the Hebrews before the time of Christ. The author says, "1 Enoch deserves study for its cosmology, but there is much more of interest. It profoundly influenced Christian eschatology, and it is necessary reading for anyone trying to understand Hebrew religious thought at the dawn of the Christian era."
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Except among Biblical inerrantists, it is generally agreed that the Bible describes an immovable earth. At the 1984 National Bible-Science Conference in Cleveland, geocentrist James N. Hanson told me there are hundreds of scriptures that suggest the earth is immovable.
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Conclusion

From their geographical and historical context, one would expect the ancient Hebrews to have a flat-earth cosmology. Indeed, from the very beginning, ultra-orthodox Christians have been flat-earthers, arguing that to believe otherwise is to deny the literal truth of the Bible. The flat-earth implications of the Bible were rediscovered and popularized by English-speaking Christians in the mid-19th century. Liberal scriptural scholars later derived the same view. Thus, students with remarkably disparate points of view independently concluded that the ancient Hebrews had a flat-earth cosmology, often deriving this view from scripture alone. Their conclusions were dramatically confirmed by the rediscovery of 1 Enoch.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:50 PM
 
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Well God bless your exceedingly figurative mind and way of dealing with the world.
And I hope that your rational mind doesn't cause you too much stress or confusion when you encounter deep subjects, uneventful days, or bottomless cups of coffee.
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Old 12-20-2007, 04:54 PM
 
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You didn't finish your answer. What are the false assumptions?
Primarily the false assumption that Christians believe the earth is flat and the center of the universe. Both false assumptions.



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What beyond the Bible should a nonbeliever have to read to learn about the Bible's cosmology, you know, what God REALLY MEANT TO SAY on these topics?
And there's another false assumption: The Bible is not a cosmological text. The Bible is the story of God's redemption of mankind. It isn't a science book. The point of the link you posted was to pick out various scriptures out of context and say, "Ha-ha! See how stupid the Bible is for getting these facts wrong."

That would be like me quoting Dylan Thomas out of context and saying, "Ha-ha! See what a bad recipe for chile this is!"
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Old 12-20-2007, 05:00 PM
 
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[quote=Mark S.;2303976]Primarily the false assumption that Christians believe the earth is flat and the center of the universe. Both false assumptions.


That's not an assumption, it's a conclusion based on an argument with examples.
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