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Old 08-21-2014, 11:10 AM
 
Location: West Virginia
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If God created Man by means of evolution, it is a god that did so inefficiently with much error over proposed billions of years. It is a god that uses a process of death, random, and suffering to bring about a creation, and this god of evolution is still trying to get it right.

Thankfully there is plenty of evidence against this proposed false god of evolutionary creation which reduces god to an impersonal force as opposed to an Creator that is intimately involved with us who demonstrated His power and love for us through Jesus Christ.
Since evolution is a science that describes how organisms change in very tiny steps over long periods of time (assuming the original organism already exists), making no statement about how thing began, it is, by definition, impossible for there to be such a thing as evolutionary creation. Please cite some peer-reviewed science that provides evidence for evolutionary creation.
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Old 08-21-2014, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Since evolution is a science that describes how organisms change in very tiny steps over long periods of time (assuming the original organism already exists), making no statement about how thing began, it is, by definition, impossible for there to be such a thing as evolutionary creation. Please cite some peer-reviewed science that provides evidence for evolutionary creation.
I believe it is a philosophical position, not a scientific one. So, I really don't see why anyone would expect, much less demand, to see something in the peer reviewed scientific literature.

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Old 08-23-2014, 11:10 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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I incline to agree - it is a "Philosophical" position rather than a "Scientific" one.

The Quotes are intentional because what this really says is 'This is a Faith based position rather than an evidence -based one'.

No charge, as usual.
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Old 08-23-2014, 01:22 PM
 
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I believe it is a philosophical position, not a scientific one. So, I really don't see why anyone would expect, much less demand, to see something in the peer reviewed scientific literature.
Indeed ... so I would have to ask - why do so many apologists try to place a philosophical position in direct competition with a scientific one as if they are both on equal footing?

Why should philosophy be taught as science?
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Old 08-23-2014, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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Indeed ... so I would have to ask - why do so many apologists try to place a philosophical position in direct competition with a scientific one as if they are both on equal footing?

Why should philosophy be taught as science?
I suppose it all depends on the apologist. If you are ICR or AiG, there is no difference.
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Old 08-23-2014, 07:26 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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I suppose it all depends on the apologist. If you are ICR or AiG, there is no difference.
No, it does not depend on the apologist, it depends on the definition of science, in which speculation is listed AS speculation and avenues of investigation suggested.
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Old 08-23-2014, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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No, it does not depend on the apologist, it depends on the definition of science, in which speculation is listed AS speculation and avenues of investigation suggested.
Suit yourself.
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Old 08-23-2014, 09:34 PM
 
Location: Southern Oregon
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It suits the people in government who oversee the elements of curricula as it complies with constitutional guidelines. And it suits me because I don't have a program to sell.
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Old 08-23-2014, 10:00 PM
 
Location: Richardson, TX
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It suits the people in government who oversee the elements of curricula as it complies with constitutional guidelines. And it suits me because I don't have a program to sell.
Good for you.... I would hope so. But that is not what Sharina and I were going on about, but thanks for playing, anyway.
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Old 08-23-2014, 11:21 PM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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No, it does not depend on the apologist, it depends on the definition of science, in which speculation is listed AS speculation and avenues of investigation suggested.

The scientific method is well defined and accepted by science... it does not vary. Apologists, on the other hand, will give you 18 different interpretations of a biblical situation, and none will agree with the other.

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