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Old 08-24-2014, 03:05 AM
 
Location: S. Wales.
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The OP should beware of the leap of faith.

It is undeniable that the First cause argument is one of the stronger theist ones, though it essentially a gap for god argument - if we can't explain it, then Goddunnit has to be the answer.

It doesn't. And arguments as to why we can't prove that a god isn't there is not the basis of the atheist position. It is more that it isn't HERE so far as convincing evidence goes. If there is a creative entity out there it could be pretty much anything we could imagine and likely something we can't.

Which is why paintings of an old man in a byzantine robe sending down divine authority upon his self -appointed spokesbods is at best symbolic.

Religions have nothing to do with a possible first cause. They are man - made systems of belief intended originally perhaps to come up with an explanation for "Who made Everything, Then?", rather admit the truth: "We don't know." but because a handy tool for bolstering Authority, first of rulers, then of religions and finally of individual bods trying to run people's lives for them.

High time for an end to it.
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Old 08-24-2014, 09:31 AM
 
Location: In a little house on the prairie - literally
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The OP should beware of the leap of faith.

It is undeniable that the First cause argument is one of the stronger theist ones, though it essentially a gap for god argument - if we can't explain it, then Goddunnit has to be the answer.

It doesn't. And arguments as to why we can't prove that a god isn't there is not the basis of the atheist position. It is more that it isn't HERE so far as convincing evidence goes. If there is a creative entity out there it could be pretty much anything we could imagine and likely something we can't.

Which is why paintings of an old man in a byzantine robe sending down divine authority upon his self -appointed spokesbods is at best symbolic.

Religions have nothing to do with a possible first cause. They are man - made systems of belief intended originally perhaps to come up with an explanation for "Who made Everything, Then?", rather admit the truth: "We don't know." but because a handy tool for bolstering Authority, first of rulers, then of religions and finally of individual bods trying to run people's lives for them.

High time for an end to it.
Too early to rep you but, if one was religious, amen
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